PollYou've created an account but still don't use the site. The main reason you haven't switched to discussionator yet is
      – Patofeo, 2008-09-05 at 20:42:46   (89 comments)

On 2008-09-05 at 20:49:41, Patofeo wrote...
I admit it still feels unfamiliar but so far its worked well. People should not expect a SBxer clone, but rather a different (and improved) site that you have to give a little time to be comfortable. I hope more users flock soon
On 2008-09-05 at 22:02:27, Beeba wrote...
SB has been so quiet i thought people were migrating, then i come over here and it's even more quiet. =(
On 2008-09-05 at 22:10:12, BorgClown wrote...
Yeah, it's like a freakin' weekend... Oh wait.
On 2008-09-05 at 22:11:05, BorgClown wrote...
Cussingator should have been released on Monday.
On 2008-09-05 at 22:17:49, BorgClown wrote...
@Patofeo: You forgot to add the "Lee would eat my soul if I join" choice
On 2008-09-05 at 23:07:56, Florenz wrote...
The usability and overall design.
On 2008-09-06 at 00:49:59, Mudjun wrote...
@Florenz: Way to poop on the parade.
On 2008-09-06 at 01:08:00, BorgClown wrote...
YKW has a simpler design, but it doesn't mean it's better. It's us who got used to its flaws and learned to workaround them. Takes about a half hour to learn your way around here though. And you can always ask. Lee is putting a help file next week, so the workings will be clearer.
On 2008-09-06 at 01:08:35, BorgClown wrote...
@Mudjun: Is that your own face?
On 2008-09-06 at 01:08:53, BorgClown wrote...
@Mudjun: Plastic surgery really does wonders.
On 2008-09-06 at 02:36:36, Thewrit wrote...
we have to shutdown soapboxxer first.
On 2008-09-06 at 02:37:16, Thewrit wrote...
wtf? censoring word soapboxxer?
On 2008-09-06 at 02:44:59, BorgClown wrote...
@Thewrit: Take it as an in-joke. It's the only bad word censored so far =)
On 2008-09-06 at 02:47:17, Thewrit wrote...
ah, ok. i thought it was the big brother watching us.
On 2008-09-06 at 02:56:37, BorgClown wrote...
@Thewrit: If you want to, I believe "Soap Boxxer " bypass the filter.
On 2008-09-06 at 02:56:45, BorgClown wrote...
Yes, it does.
On 2008-09-06 at 02:57:09, Thewrit wrote...
jesus crist, this place is dead dead. we can see the hay balls rolling on the screen like a ghost town.
On 2008-09-06 at 02:59:52, Thewrit wrote...
@BorgClown: thanks.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:00:13, BorgClown wrote...
I suppose it will have a slow start. People cling to Sb for some reason. Maybe the noobs will be the new veterans here.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:00:32, Nevermore wrote...
@Thewrit: hay balls? lol. I've always called them tumbleweeds.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:00:59, BorgClown wrote...
Also, it's a weekend. Expect it to be very slow until Monday noon.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:01:25, Nevermore wrote...
@BorgClown: I don't see why we can't use both sites. Some people aren't clinging to SB, though. That place is pretty dead, too.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:02:02, BorgClown wrote...
@Nevermore: I don't why I understood immediately. I know them as tumbleweeds too.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:03:13, BorgClown wrote...
@Nevermore: I'm in the two sites actually, but if i'm going to participate, I prefer to do it here. I've been a little busy though, so I check once an hour or longer.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:04:34, Thewrit wrote...
@Nevermore: i just searched the portuguese word for hay, then discovered in english that word is hay then imagined it rolling like a ball. i would never imagine that is called thumbleweed.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:07:29, BorgClown wrote...
@Thewrit: Ah, you're from Portugal or Brazil. Didn't know that. I have a hard time calling those thing even in my native language. In fact, I can't remember the name right now.
On 2008-09-06 at 03:10:28, Thewrit wrote...
@BorgClown: yeah, im brazilian. i just know that from movies. i never saw one.
On 2008-09-06 at 18:22:38, Macnamera wrote...
I personally "cling" to SB because I have been there since the start so there is that. Plus while I like DNR overall so far it lacks the simplicity that I like about SB. It is nice to have more options but it doesn't have the same ease of use. I know you say Borg I can learn it in 30 min which I don't doubt but SB took me zero minutes to learn. Other than that DNR is pretty darn cool. Respect to Lee.
On 2008-09-06 at 23:36:51, Korinthian wrote...
I'm still not convinced this is where I want to be. If Lee starts name-calling on the second day, especially when people are trying to help him, I don't even want to think about how he will act down the line. Some people just can't handle being in charge.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:37:20, BorgClown wrote...
@Macnamera: I didn't mean 'cling' to be offensive, it's just that I don't get it. I can tell you for my own experience that the perceived easiness of use comes from us, not from SB. We do many things by hand, and know to workaround the limitations and bugs. I had enough of SB when they basically told us to suck it up, but didn't have a viable alternative until now.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:50:16, Thewrit wrote...
other thing i figured, may be not true but, the visual of the site is too polluted.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:55:36, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: As a developer (who doesn't have nothing to do with DNr besides fanboyism), I think you started with the left foot. The proper thing was test rinding the site for a while, and when you where familiarized with it, starting to make suggestions. If you check the "Discussionator" topics, most of them are yours, and a few of them the site already did. Maybe you went a little overboard with all the novelties and possibilities.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:55:53, Korinthian wrote...
@Thewrit: Shh, don't say anything that is similar to critique.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:57:31, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: Oh come on, if I could, I'd buy you an ice cream to sweet away your bad mood.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:57:48, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: Naw, I didn't do anything wrong. The things that already exist threads only made me learn something about the site, and the other ideas are good ones. And you almost sound like this is my fault. Please expand on that thought.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:58:33, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: BTW, I just downloaded Shaun of the dead and saw a few excerpts. Awesome movie, I'm seeing it tonight with popcorn.
On 2008-09-07 at 00:58:52, Thewrit wrote...
@Korinthian: well my intention is not about critique, but just a tip that may be used or not, anyway i wont leave dnr just because of the visual
On 2008-09-07 at 01:06:32, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: "And you almost sound like this is my fault. Please expand on that thought" When a client contracts you for a developing job, the first thing he does is complain and demand you to change it, which you oblige because it's his money. But when you distribute your work for free, the roles are reversed. The visitors get what is there, and the suggestions are optional to oblige. The way you let an avalanche of suggestions without taking the time to familiarize with the site made me think about the former case. If I give it the context of the latter case, where your suggestions were offered in good nature and without an expectation of compliance, then I think Lee and I overreacted.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:13:14, Korinthian wrote...
Oh no, you've got it all wrong, Borg. That is not how it works at all. A site, even if it is free, depends on users as well as the developer. And if a site is defective in some way, or if ideas would enhance it, users will drop away if things stay that way. And how'd you overreact? I didn't even notice that. And if someone acts like an ass towards me, I'll act like one right back. This is nothing new and nothing unexpected.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:16:52, Thewrit wrote...
easy people. doesnt have to fight.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:18:11, BorgClown wrote...
The experience with SB (and many other sites BTW) denies your case. People will put up with a lot of crap as long as they get something for free. The main lesson I learned from SB, but one who would suck if used here, is that people will put up with your crap as long as you don't confront them. K&K just ignored us, and so far it worked.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:19:08, BorgClown wrote...
@Thewrit: Don't worry, Korinthian is a very logical person when he's not joking. I'm trying to be the same.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:23:07, Korinthian wrote...
Well, if anything, our experiences on SB supports my case. People have been quitting because the creators have abandoned the place (which would be my reason as well) and they realize that it is not going forward. And they are also getting annoyed with things that could be prevented, like spam. People will however put up with a lot of crap, but only for so long. And there is the additional issue that we, as SB:ers already put up with that very crap and do not need it on a page that is nearly identical.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:28:06, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: Just to get it narrowed down, is the crap you are referring the attitude of Lee in respect to your suggestions? I'm trying to be as specific as possible, that's why I didn't say "respect to the user's suggestions".
On 2008-09-07 at 01:30:30, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: by crap in my latest comment I meant a site without someone updating it / making it work.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:34:21, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: Okay, good to know it. Weren't you in the testing site before? A lot of suggestions were made there, and many of them were implemented. I witnessed that Lee worked almost daily in this site, and I'm sure he still is. Making software involves much more work that what's apparent by the user interface, expect it to improve slowly.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:36:01, BorgClown wrote...
Since Lee opened DNr, I lost the link where he logged the work he did here, but looking it up showed that this site is still improving. I'll see if I can find it.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:38:18, Korinthian wrote...
I managed to log in for about 3 minutes on the testing site. And I know some things about coding work and how long it can take, I've been the dictator of a MUD and had 4 coders slaving away under me. But this isn't about how long it takes, this is about how suggestions are met with "stfu".
On 2008-09-07 at 01:47:51, BorgClown wrote...
Well, I think we made our points, let's see what happens next.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:48:21, BorgClown wrote...
What MUD, if I may ask? I'm intrigued.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:53:47, Korinthian wrote...
I'd rather not answer that for various reasons.
On 2008-09-07 at 01:58:43, Korinthian wrote...
But it was great fun, I introduced several classes, one or two races, some areas and two dungeons. Coming up with ideas made me read through all AD&D literature only to find out that extremely little in there is in fact stuff that your standard nerd doesn't already know.
On 2008-09-07 at 02:02:07, BorgClown wrote...
I know! Let's create different accounts that don't know each other, and let them share what MUD it was. They might be like WTF? because they don't know each other, but whatever. Fool proof!
On 2008-09-07 at 02:06:40, Korinthian wrote...
Oh, trust me, you'd recognize "Korinthian".
On 2008-09-07 at 02:08:02, BorgClown wrote...
Reading Tolkien came as a revelation for me, because it was the seed for all the RPG craze I've known. Suddenly races, magic and melee/archery made complete sense.
On 2008-09-07 at 02:08:07, Korinthian wrote...
And that wasn't even my imp's name. I was a pvp dictator as a player (people didn't like me).
On 2008-09-07 at 02:10:27, BorgClown wrote...
I'm more into solo RPG games, NES, SNES and Genesis specially. The 3D ones became too flashy, they forgot to tell good stories.
On 2008-09-07 at 02:11:46, BorgClown wrote...
Since I don't have the time to play them normally, I cheat to gain experience. I enjoy the stories and quests more than the leveling up.
On 2008-09-07 at 02:19:33, BorgMime wrote...
I really created an alternate account. You never know when it will come handy. As a bonus, I always wanted to use an eyevatar.
On 2008-09-07 at 02:32:48, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: I do that on occasion too. I use emulators and fast-forward most of the fights. Two of my favorites are Shining Force and Tactics Ogre, oh, and most of the Zelda games. There is just a huge difference in quality between NES games and the games of today (who the heck would want to play an FPS game on a console anyways?).
On 2008-09-07 at 02:52:42, Nevermore wrote...
@BorgMime: I love eyevatars!
On 2008-09-07 at 02:59:54, Korinthian wrote...
@Nevermore: Please remind me to photoshop your avatar.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:03:10, Nevermore wrote...
@Korinthian: Only if you promise to make look pretty.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:05:33, Korinthian wrote...
@Nevermore: Actually I can only promise that I will make you look uglier. My photoshop skills are quite poor. I'm gonna try to make you a redhead. I'm also considering adding red to your eyes to make you look more evil (if such a thing is possible).
On 2008-09-07 at 03:05:37, BorgMime wrote...
@Nevermore: Then, rejoice in the fact that this my own eye, kind lady. Thick eyebrows, slightly slanted eyes, that's me. Only because it's so deformed by the B&W filter I dare to post it here, because in DNr the avatars in the comments are permanent.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:07:14, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: Try Phantasy star 4 in the Sega Megadrive. It has a very compelling plot, specially if you haven't played the prequels.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:08:41, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: Don't forget a sombrero. You can't go wrong with a nice hat.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:08:43, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: Know of any Sega emulators for ubuntu? Perhaps you know of a good place to get that rom too?
On 2008-09-07 at 03:09:15, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: I was thinking horns. I never pass on a chance to make a female horny.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:10:01, Korinthian wrote...
TYPO: Actually I can only promise that I will make you look ugly*.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:14:21, Nevermore wrote...
@Korinthian: ha, I didn't even catch that.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:15:38, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: You can use Gens. It has an ugly interface, but it's in the repositories, and has GameGenie support. If you go to GetDeb, there are more emulators, but I'd recommend you to stick with the repositories unless otherwise needed.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:19:11, BorgClown wrote...
For the ROM, there are some security backups of here: http://thedump.classicgaming.gamespy.com/genesis/
On 2008-09-07 at 03:27:32, Korinthian wrote...
@Nevermore: Yeah well, I only want to be mean intentionally. Unintentional insults are for lesser beings.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:30:18, Korinthian wrote...
@Nevermore: You with red hair on the new thread on SB. I didn't change my avatar here because I will keep on evil-ifying your avatar.
On 2008-09-07 at 03:31:10, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: I'm not even sure I could install anything if I didn't use the installer. And backups? That sounds very suspicious!
On 2008-09-07 at 03:46:45, BorgClown wrote...
Looking good Icy! Next make her a blonde!
On 2008-09-07 at 03:49:03, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: You can install several ways: http://lifehacker.com/software/ubuntu/how-to-install-anything-in-ubuntu-231105.php
On 2008-09-07 at 04:28:36, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: I must be blind, but I can't find the roms on that page.
On 2008-09-07 at 04:33:00, Korinthian wrote...
@Korinthian: Never mind, found it on another page.
On 2008-09-07 at 04:36:42, BorgClown wrote...
@Korinthian: You really answered yourself. Those sites change too quickly, sorry if it was outdated.
On 2008-09-07 at 04:38:59, BorgClown wrote...
@BorgClown: Completely off-topic, but if you want a little more eyecandy on your Ubuntu box, checkout the XSilver cursor theme in http://www.gnome-look.org
On 2008-09-07 at 04:42:32, Korinthian wrote...
@BorgClown: What I'm really looking for now is some kind of thing that will make resizing windows easier. For some reason it is a pain to grab the corner. I'll check that cursor theme out.
On 2008-09-07 at 04:53:16, BorgClown wrote...
Wow, talk about an open question: 1) Alt+Space+R+Arrows (Or Alt+F8+Arrows) 2) Bind some combinations to the Compiz "Resize windows" plugin 3) Checkout the section "Window management" in the Preferences, Keyboard shortcuts menu.
On 2008-09-07 at 04:55:45, BorgClown wrote...
If you feel adventurous, you can use the "Window rules" Compiz plugin to forcibly resize specific windows, and the "Place windows" plugin to forcibly locate them.
On 2008-09-07 at 05:03:48, Korinthian wrote...
I'll experiment and see what falls out on the other side.
On 2008-09-07 at 05:09:48, Korinthian wrote...
Ugh, looks like experimenting isn't as easy as I thought. I bet I need to do some reading before doing anything. I'll do that tomorrow.
On 2008-09-07 at 17:06:22, RealityApologist wrote...
@Thewrit: Agreed. I'd like to see the graphics streamlined a bit.
On 2008-09-07 at 17:45:47, Thewrit wrote...
@RealityApologist: in fact i dont mind, the site is quite simple and fast, we dont need anything else. its just what i tought thats making people avoid dnr at first sight.