PollIn general, who has more influence over the world?
      – Thelevellers, 2010-04-04 at 14:22:05   (10 comments)

On 2010-04-04 at 14:22:37, Thelevellers wrote...
This is about how you think it IS, not how you would like it...
On 2010-04-04 at 17:32:50, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Surely this has to be politicians, since they make the rules and govern countries. Religious leaders only wish they had that much influence. Scientists ought to have more influence in policy making, but they'd still come second to politicians. Historians need to become more useful. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527537.200-natural-experiments-working-in-the-history-lab.html
On 2010-04-04 at 17:59:02, Thelevellers wrote...
But who is it that cowers in fear every time the religious leaders get upset? In this country, and America at least, it seems to be the politicians... I dunno, maybe I'm jut feeling angry and cynical at the moment...
On 2010-04-04 at 22:58:10, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I never hear anything about religious leaders. Not that I watch the news, but I very much doubt they have all that much influence. The actual religious beliefs of the politicians themselves, however, probably does warp their decision making - as it does for any religious person.
On 2010-04-05 at 02:10:14, BorgClown wrote...
The Jew are interesting in that they have a strong religion closely tied to economic activities. But in general, politicians have more power.
On 2010-04-05 at 09:03:01, Thelevellers wrote...
Yay! No-one agrees with me! Makes me feel happier... Still not convinced you're right, but at least there's more doubt in my mind :) The issue of their own religion is part of the problem, the Pope has much to say about a Catholic's attitudes, so surely that would suggest he has a certain amount of influence over any Catholic politicians?
On 2010-04-05 at 11:09:46, Lee J Haywood wrote...
The number of influential decisions that politicians have to make which are not affected by their religious affiliations surely vastly outnumber the ones which are? I might agree that their very beliefs about the worth of the citizens they control is affected by their religion, but I'd say that was a personal view which isn't directly tied to religious leaders influencing them. You could argue that religious leaders affect both the general populace and politicians, and thereby have a huge influence. And I suppose in some countries the government is mostly in the background whereas religion is a part of a person's daily life, so it varies from region to region.
On 2010-04-05 at 14:23:04, Thelevellers wrote...
The second bit is probably what I was thinking, especially when you look at the influence that, say, Israel have on American politics... There's the issue with Iran working towards nuclear weapons at the moment, that being a religiously controlled state, that affects the whole world. That's where I'm coming from, I think!
On 2010-04-05 at 19:20:23, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Well, yes, religion does pervert the course of history across the whole world. That's not so much down to the religious leaders as it is due to the religions themselves - that's the distinction I'm making. Religion works just as well headless - it'd still continue even if you removed all the so-called leaders. You specifically asked about the people.
On 2010-04-05 at 20:50:25, Thelevellers wrote...
Aaah, yes, that's a very good point. Maybe even vote changing good... :)