PollAre you a political left or right? http://images.4chan.org/r/src/1269142423683.gif
      – BorgClown, 2010-03-21 at 05:28:54   (19 comments)

On 2010-03-21 at 05:30:39, BorgClown wrote...
This graph makes it very easy to find out. I'm more of a leftist, although I lean a bit to the center. Didn't see myself as a clear leftist until today.
On 2010-03-21 at 07:07:24, BorgClown wrote...
Didn't realize the storage on 4Chan is so ephemeral. Image mirror: http://img696.imageshack.us/i/leftandright.gif
On 2010-03-21 at 09:11:07, Thelevellers wrote...
I got a 404 from the second link...
On 2010-03-22 at 02:54:30, BorgClown wrote...
Let's try another image host: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/fd76d57748.gif
On 2010-03-22 at 17:57:49, Thelevellers wrote...
Based on that I would definitely say left. I have some right leaning parts of me, but definitely overall lie on the left field :)
On 2010-03-22 at 19:43:27, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I'd go with a 'none of the above' option, but I guess that's what 'centre' is for. I prefer an evidence-based approach to everything - i.e. stick with things that have been proven to work and experiment with changing things that aren't working. No other system of belief makes sense.
On 2010-03-23 at 02:51:57, BorgClown wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: Never thought of you as a conservative, although you've supported the control your government has on the daily British life. In a way, the more control you have, the more established things are likely to remain in place.
On 2010-03-23 at 17:39:44, Thelevellers wrote...
I said left based on how many of the things on the left hand side I feel I relate to. In practice I wouldn;t hesitate to agree with a right winger on a policy that I felt made sense. That's the thing that pisses me off most about the current political scene - it's all about YOUR party winning power, not about what policies are best. So if the right like on thing, the left feels it cannot be seen to agree with the idea. but then a lot of things are screwed up with modern politics, so it's not that surprising really...
On 2010-03-23 at 19:30:42, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@BorgClown: I'm asking for trouble here, but here is the result I got from matching my answers to specific questions with the manifestos of the various political parties. Note that this is from 2005 and does not reflect my support/interests in any parties - it was just a guideline given to me by a web site (whoshouldyouvotefor.com) which was available at the time. http://www.discussionator.com/20050419-190742.jpg As you can see, I matched neither the Conservative nor Labour manifestos of the time.
On 2010-03-24 at 09:24:56, Thelevellers wrote...
I'd like to point you to the political compass (.org) as to why you didn't agree with either - they are largely the same. I hope they re-instate that site again sometime soon, could do with the some pointers! I don't know the policies of any parties, but from what I do know of the major parties I'm not supportive of anyone with any hope of getting in. I'm currently thinking Greens just because really. Definitely wouldn't go Tory if only because of their cosy-cosying to Rupert Murdoch...
On 2010-03-24 at 19:02:16, Lee J Haywood wrote...
One problem with voting for the Green Party (in many areas) is that they're unlikely to actually win, so your vote isn't really having much effect. Of course, they do win in some places so YMMV.
On 2010-03-25 at 09:06:14, Thelevellers wrote...
True enough, but voting for a party says you agree with them and want them to be the part in power, and I most definitely don't want the Tories or Labour in government. I think there's needs to be some form of recognition of non-voters, or compulsory voting, as I don't see how a majority vote of a minority can give a mandate to govern. If less that 50% of the voting population votes, how can you have a majority?
On 2010-03-25 at 16:23:59, DigitalBoss wrote...
@BorgClown: Your words: "In a way, the more control you have, the more established things are likely to remain in place." ...and the less freedom you have.
On 2010-03-25 at 16:27:26, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: It is the citizen's responsibility to vote. If he does not, he gets what comes, has no voice, and has no right to complain.
On 2010-03-25 at 20:24:18, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Thelevellers: Voting systems are a complex subject, as there are many different strategies - but ultimately they're all flawed simply because there's no perfect system that will account for all the different possibilities. At the very least, you can never please everyone... (New Scientist had a great article on the subject, but it's restricted to subscribers). http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826511.600-why-firstpastthepost-voting-is-fundamentally-flawed.html
On 2010-03-26 at 02:39:12, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: I believe that the vote should be restricted. You should have to pass a civics test before you are allowed to vote. Or even better, the more you pay in taxes, the more your vote should weigh. After all, you have more invested in the government than someone that pays no taxes.
On 2010-03-26 at 19:25:22, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Yes, I agree with that (the first comment). My problem is that there is no option for people who disagree with all the voting options available - I think a lot of people would bother to vote if there was a choice they agreed with. If I wasn't in the middle of a qualification I might consider going for politics myself :P
On 2010-03-26 at 19:27:27, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: A civics test might be an idea - if you mean a basic understanding of how government works or something along those lines? I kind of agree with the vote weighting a little too, as it would encourage people to pay their taxes instead of avoiding them! The only issue is with giving people that already have a lot of power, more. As the biggest vote weighting would be for the richest people, who already have power through their money to make what hey want happen any way, if we're honest.
On 2010-03-28 at 06:44:48, BorgClown wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Totally agreed, I also want less control in my life from others, so I tend to sympathize with your views to a degree. The difference is, I want more control, not see it shifted from politicians to the wealthy.