Opinion"If you vote to force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, you have to agree to be on a random adoption list. And if your number comes up, you have to adopt that baby whether you want it or not."
      – Thelevellers, 2010-03-17 at 13:59:00   (9 comments)

On 2010-03-17 at 13:59:34, Thelevellers wrote...
I found thus gem in the comments for this piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/16/utah-miscarriage-bill-abortion Think it has a certain appeal...
On 2010-03-17 at 14:09:36, DigitalBoss wrote...
I read your link. You have read mine in the past. This is exactly why our founding fathers (USoA) disliked a central power and wanted the power to be in the states. If a state passes laws that you do not agree with, you can move to another state that has laws and customs more to your liking. Each state an experiment of sorts. If the central government passes such a law, you are screwed into submission with no choices.
On 2010-03-17 at 14:24:04, Thelevellers wrote...
I can see your point, and I kind of like the idea. My problem is that I like (for example) Britain as a country - the countryside is awesome, it has the right level of hilly-ness and greenery and the climate is spot on for me. I just hate the current government (and likely alternatives). Also, not everyone can afford to just up-sticks and move. Indeed, part of that article's point is that women can't afford to travel the distance to their nearest abortion clinic, so how are they going to be able to move to a completely different state?
On 2010-03-17 at 20:37:44, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: At some point, people need to realize, or be taught, that they need to have some sort of personal responsibility. If you can't afford to move, it is your fault, if you get pregnant, it is your fault. If you can't afford medical care, it is your fault. It is not the government's fault, and certainly is not the taxpayer's responsibility. True individual freedom requires individual responsibility. Some people just can't handle being responsible for themselves. They need a nanny. Your countrymen are raised in a nanny-state, as mine are beginning to be.
On 2010-03-17 at 22:07:18, Thelevellers wrote...
It's not ALWAYS your fault if you get pregnant... Nor is it always your fault if you are too poor to move. I nearly had more thoughts to add, but they have left me already, suggesting it's time for bed. :S
On 2010-03-18 at 00:53:10, DigitalBoss wrote...
Blame it on someone else. It is always someone else's fault.
On 2010-03-18 at 03:21:46, Melchior wrote...
Disagree. Cos the sort of person who forces a woman to carry is exactly the sort of person you'd choose to be looking after a child they don't want...
On 2010-03-18 at 20:33:19, Thelevellers wrote...
Yes. That is a very good point. Do you not think it would also make those people think twice about doing it though?
On 2010-03-21 at 18:56:36, Lee J Haywood wrote...
There are certainly plenty of reasons that women can become pregnant unwillingly, whether they abstain or not. There's no "fault" in an accident, and the fault really is someone else's in many cases. Criminalising a miscarriage is horrific to say the least, given the sheer woolliness of deciding if it was caused deliberately or not - and that the vast majority certainly aren't deliberate.