Web site10 Things the Global Warmists Could Do to Convince Me They Want to Save the Earth: http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/03/8-things-the-gl.html
      – DigitalBoss, 2010-03-11 at 12:43:08   (18 comments)

On 2010-03-11 at 12:48:56, DigitalBoss wrote...
I could not have said it better myself.
On 2010-03-11 at 20:34:18, Thelevellers wrote...
1&2 - I agree! I don't feel that these problems disprove the science however. 3 - It is. The weather is even less predictable, and the globe as a whole is warming. We are experiencing more extreme weather patterns. 4 - Over here in Britain the government IS pushing for Nuclear power. The Greens don't because there are no decent ways to deal with the waste, thus just creating another problem. I want more money poured into fusion research as that would really help fix stuff! :) Can't comment on the solar power as it's pretty pointless over here, but easy to get set-up if you have the funds. 5 - Is it not? I would have thought all the published papers that they use would be, well, published... If they are using unpublished papers they need to sort that out - it's not right. 6 - I would imagine they would if there were some decent arguments being put forward. That said, they should probably still do it. So I kinda agree.
On 2010-03-11 at 20:41:38, Thelevellers wrote...
7 - But we don't want it to warm up at all! It would be SO much better if we could avoid the need for such tech... That said, I don;t think you nay-sayers are ever gonna let it get 'fixed', so we probably should look into it. That said, I expect some people are already, tbh. 8 - I wasn't aware it was. Except for Venus, which is hot because of the greenhouse effect which has gone into major run-away mode. 9 - No-one is claiming it's going to happen "at any moment". If they are, they are idiots. It was dramatised like that (I believe, I've not watched it) in The Day After Tomorrow, to make it more exciting, not because anyone thinks it's actually going to happen like that. The major sea level rises will take place over the next 100 years or so, though the estimates have been revised down a couple of times... Therefore, as a short term (less than 50 years) investment, I'm sure beach front properties are very good! 10 - The medieval warm period was NOT a global event - it was localised, no permafrost issue.
On 2010-03-11 at 20:44:24, Thelevellers wrote...
While it has only reinforced my beliefs, I enjoyed being given a list of things to think over and see if they can sway me, thanks! :) I would also say that regardless of whether or not global warming is real/mad made/whatever, a lot of the goals of the Green movement to combat it are not freedom stealing, and would be great any way. Such as renewable power, cutting down on electricity usage and removing our dependency on fossil fuels. From what I understand (I could be wrong), a lot of people think that carbon trading is a bad idea anyway, so I'm not too bothered about that...
On 2010-03-12 at 03:56:46, BorgClown wrote...
Point 1 is laughable, you can't offset detonating tons of bombs (not necessarily clean, mind you) and leaving pulverized depleted uranium over vast farmland areas with an eco-friendly house. Har har.
On 2010-03-12 at 04:00:53, BorgClown wrote...
There are valid points overall, it just has a feeling of "you have to work very, very hard to convince me while I just keep saying no" attitude which lessens its value.
On 2010-03-12 at 12:36:18, DigitalBoss wrote...
@BorgClown: Stay on point Borg, if the Islamist extremist terrorists would keep to themselves and not constantly blow-up our shit, we would stay out of theirs. Remember, we put up with decades of their activities before we took action. Do I have to enumerate them? They asked for it. And I am glad our government is doing the one thing that governments are supposed to do, protect their citizens, or at least try to for a change.
On 2010-03-12 at 12:43:08, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: "lot of the goals of the Green movement to combat it are not freedom stealing" Ok, I am fine with that. But why does it seem to me like it is all about governments using a supposed crisis to take freedoms away from people and gain power over them; one more excuse to raise taxes and grow government. Greens have turned into Communists. "the fall of communism brought an influx of anti-corporate extremism". Read about what the founder of Greenpeace has to say about it. Read the whole article, it will awaken you my friend. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n38_v13/ai_19969858/
On 2010-03-12 at 12:51:23, DigitalBoss wrote...
"A lot of those in the peace movement were anti-American and, to an extent, pro-Soviet. By virtue of their anti-Americanism, they tended to sometimes favor the communist approach. A lot of those people, a lot of those social activists, moved into the environmental movement once the peace movement was no longer relevant." Social activists, he suggests, "are now using the rhetoric of environmentalism to promote other collectivist agendas, such as class struggle -- which I personally believe is a legitimate area, but I don't believe it's legitimate to mix it up with environmentalism." -- Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore
On 2010-03-12 at 13:35:58, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss #7: I think Borg was making a joke...
On 2010-03-12 at 15:02:38, Iliketurtles wrote...
i concur Thelevellers, the way to stop global warming is to just stop all the research they are doing as that speeds it up as they are using energy to do the research and therefor are burning fossil fuels, soooo be a hippy
On 2010-03-12 at 15:03:36, Thelevellers wrote...
@Iliketurtles: That SO wasn't my point...
On 2010-03-12 at 15:08:06, Iliketurtles wrote...
They could prove it by not doing any research to try and prevent it which makes it worse so if they stop they are proving they care so they do want to save the earth
On 2010-03-12 at 15:20:30, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: That was indeed an interesting read, though not life changing. I already knew that a lot of problems with forests like the Amazon are cause by farming, soya especially (I love bringing up that when talking to vegetarians!). It doesn't say that greens have turned into communists though, communists have started using green issues as a way to push their agenda, is what he is actually saying, a very different point. To the first point, I have a VERY simple response: Government does not equal the green movement! People I read who are environmentalists say that the governments are getting it wrong - that they aren't doing the green movement any favours, and are damaging the ACG argument.
On 2010-03-12 at 15:25:31, Be Creative wrote...
At the moment the government are using green issues to excel in the public eye as to produce better results in the next vote. I believe that they are not actually bothered about the issues - only statistics
On 2010-03-12 at 15:50:09, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: What it says is that in the opinion of the founder of Greenpeace, the green movement has been taken over by communists.
On 2010-03-12 at 17:58:57, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Exactly what I was trying to say! I just disliked your phrasing of it that greens were turning commie, as that wasn't what was being said, and suggests that greens are all commies, which isn't necessarily true - just parts of the 'establishment' of the movement...
On 2010-03-13 at 17:39:11, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Iliketurtles: Climate scientists don't have to want to prevent climate change to study it - that completely misses the point. The point of climate science isn't to save the planet, it's to describe the current state of the climate and model its future. Climate scientists are (emphatically) not employed to convince anyone that the planet is warming. Even if all the climate scientists who want to save the planet quit their jobs, there would still be plenty who don't care and would continue their research.