OpinionSpotify will kill illegal sharing of music
      – Thelevellers, 2010-02-25 at 10:00:53   (17 comments)

On 2010-02-25 at 10:09:58, Thelevellers wrote...
I used to (illegally) download a fair bit of music, as I have been burned by buying albums on the strength of radio play of singles, and been very disappointed and a free preview before buying sounds like a great idea to me! I have always been of the opinion you should pay for music and gigs to support the artists making it, and have a big CD, ticket stub and t-shirt collection as a result. However, I got around to getting Spotify a few months ago, and I haven't downloaded any music since - admittedly I can't find everything available to torrent on Spotify (yet), but there is still a huge range on there. The only thing stopping me from getting rid of mediamonkey and using Spotify alone for music on my PC is that the organisation of music annoys me - you have to either constantly re-search for bands to listen to, or develop huge long lists of playlists, if, like me, you like 'album artist' organisation of your media library. My main point being, Spotify killed my download habit - simple as.
On 2010-02-25 at 10:11:40, Thelevellers wrote...
Does anyone know of a similar setup for TV? Cause there's lots of American TV that I like, but we don't get over here, or at least not on 4OD or iPlayer!
On 2010-02-26 at 03:11:32, BorgClown wrote...
"Here at Spotify we believe that Everyone Loves Music, that's why we aim to legally bring all the worlds music to everyone, everywhere and are currently working really hard to achieve this. While Spotify is not currently available in your country we do hope to launch in more places in the future." I guess not yet, FMA...
On 2010-02-26 at 11:41:44, Thelevellers wrote...
Awww, sorry, I forgot it's only available in 6 countries for now :( Do you get Pandora? The US does I believe, and that is actually better for finding NEW music - a combination of Spotify and Pandora would make me unbelievably happy! :)
On 2010-02-27 at 20:09:40, Lee J Haywood wrote...
There are lots of streaming music services, e.g. Napster. They vary a lot in terms of catalogue size, quality and responsiveness. I'm mostly persuaded that buying music doesn't help artists as much as going to gigs and buying merchandise - which sends money to them more directly - unless they happen to sell CDs directly. Signed, mainstream artists are probably in the worst position in terms of percentage received... but that's another topic.
On 2010-03-12 at 15:37:28, Iliketurtles wrote...
I believe that it would as it just gives everyone access to music that would other wise be downloaded illegally by the immoral, but saying that, spotify doesnt have any chilli's or metallica, so im sure that it wont completely die out, spotify cant hold all the music.
On 2010-03-12 at 15:45:03, Thelevellers wrote...
So I'm immoral am I?! Despite spending more than ANYONE I know on music and associated costs? Just for wanting to preview albums/bands before buying them? :P
On 2010-03-12 at 15:50:15, Be Creative wrote...
I have to agree with Thelevellers on that one. Its a good point. Its only fair to preview the album before you purchase it. If I am impressed with the music I shall actually purchase the album and give the band the correct funds. If I am not impressed then I do not see why they should be graced with my hard earned money.
On 2010-03-12 at 15:50:30, Iliketurtles wrote...
But its called illegally downloading because its illegal, so if that was the case why dont you buy them straight off? Surely if you like the band enough you would be true to them and pay for the CD or MP3's. If you like the bands then you need to fund them otherwise if you didnt then theyd go under and you might have missed out on alot of good music that may have become of them in the future, anyway, i-tunes has a preview of each song it you can download, granted its not the entire song, but you can get the jist from it
On 2010-03-13 at 17:33:59, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Thelevellers: You're a (suspected) criminal. It's an interesting question as to whether or not you can claim to be moral if you're engaged in criminal activities (even if you argue that the law itself is 'criminal' in nature). I'd guess that you could preview most music without actually downloading it, e.g. YouTube streaming (still dubious, I know) or listening to radio stations. If you were pure, you could simply not buy anything you hadn't previewed legally. @Be Creative: Buying an album doesn't automatically "give the band the correct funds" - most likely they only see a small part of the money you pay, and arguably you're wasting your money if that's your motivation.
On 2010-03-14 at 20:34:12, Thelevellers wrote...
My point was that now all laws are moral - therefore it does not necessarily follow that doing an illegal thing is immoral. Iliketurtles missed the other half of my point as well: I spend more than anyone I know in support of music (and indeed comedy) that I like. And not by a little either - probably double, if not quadruple... Music and comedy are the reason I'm so completely skint all the time. That is also why I say, in my case, that the illegal downloads I have made are not necessarily immoral. That said, I do view illegal sharing of such things morally dubious, even in my case, as I know full well that artists need money. Also, iTunes is bollocks, and I refuse to let it on my computer, so their previews are no good. Also, a 30 second preview of each track merely ruins the first ever listen of an album, which is very special for me.
On 2010-03-14 at 20:36:05, Thelevellers wrote...
Also, Lee is definietly right about the albums not giving the bands the 'right' money - a lot of bands never make it to 'recouped' status - that's where they sell enough to have paid off the record companies bill for the production, promotion etc of the record. Only once a band has recouped do they see any cash from record sales... that's why I do my best to see everyone I like live, and buy a t-shirt. It helps a LOT more...
On 2010-03-15 at 20:15:16, Lee J Haywood wrote...
That's like saying that you always shop at the local greengrocers because you don't want to see them go out of business. I don't feel particularly motivated to do such a thing, given that other people will shop there whether I do or not. You're not personally responsible for the success or failure of other people, only for your own well-being. It is actually possible to support your favourite bands without supporting everyone you like, and spend well within your means. As another example, I don't feel compelled to buy a DVD for a (good) film rather than simply watching it on TV. As much as I'd like the people involved in the production to earn enough money to make more of the same (or not, for a bad one), I'm usually happy to wait for the 'free' broadcast that is eventually inevitable. I do think that sharing content illegally is far worse, morally, than simply obtaining such content, and selling copies for profit is worse still.
On 2010-03-15 at 20:19:05, Thelevellers wrote...
Oh I would agree with the film thing my self - I just have an unnatural urge to buy music :( Realistically it's not possible to buy all the music by all the people you like, especially if you want some films or TV dvds. But I enjoy spending money of music, and find it incredibly difficult not too, so I make that my primary money drain :P
On 2010-03-15 at 20:21:04, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I used to buy stacks of CDs. I finally stopped buying so much when the music industry screwed me by selling me a CD that wouldn't play and I chose to boycott them. By all means buy merchandise directly from the musicians, though - that's a sure-fire way to ensure they get the money you spend.
On 2010-03-18 at 02:57:45, Melchior wrote...
@Thelevellers: Or if you want some food, or a roof over your head :p
On 2010-03-18 at 20:29:45, Thelevellers wrote...
I avoid all digital downloads because of previous DRM issues - I had to break the law to be able to listen to my legitimate downloads when I ran Linux! I believe they have mainly fixed those issues now, but I have also read an article about how little the bands get from download proceeds, so that also stops me. Also, I like physical items - hence me recently buying Orange Box on DVDs instead of a Steam download... Finally, I happen to like a lot of smaller bands, and so mostly don;t happen to buy much from major labels anyway, which is nice. No real personal choice going on there though! I just don't like much of what is popular at the moment...