AnnouncementProstrate thyself and draw nigh; beg before the carbon board lest thy ration be reduced.____ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/carbon/6527970/Everyone-in-Britain-could-be-given-a-personal-carbon-allowance.html
      – DigitalBoss, 2009-11-15 at 19:39:07   (12 comments)

On 2009-11-15 at 19:42:59, DigitalBoss wrote...
I wonder if this carbon card would apply to Lord Smith himself? I fear this is the future for the US too. Carbon Moonbattery. Just one more way for the government to control your life and toss out your freedoms.
On 2009-11-15 at 19:49:19, DigitalBoss wrote...
I should buy a larger gun.
On 2009-11-15 at 20:00:20, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I'm not sure I see how such a scheme would work in practice. If you're rich enough to pay for what you waste, then you'd laugh off the extra expense. If you're an ordinary, hard working citizen you'd struggle to afford this extra tax. It's also preposterous to have a system where you try to track what individuals are using - an administrative nightmare - and only tax 'carbon sensitive' items like fuel when we know full well that oil is used in a lot of everyday goods that we also buy. A far more sensible scheme is to simply tax the carbon at the source, e.g. oil and coal, and have an ever-increasing incentive to find alternatives for energy generation and production. I found the '2 tonnes per person' limit at the end of the article interesting - it'd be almost impossible for someone living alone to go that low, short of living off the grid. It really would require alternative energy production, for heating alone.
On 2009-11-15 at 22:01:39, BorgClown wrote...
Several countries are raising taxes because the global crisis has left them less money, I don't like it. When people has less money, they spend less, Governments should too.
On 2009-11-15 at 23:40:09, DigitalBoss wrote...
Touche Borg. Governments should have to stick to a budget like our state governments, and ourselves. I think Lee is missing the point. Government people like these don't really give a shit about what happens with the carbon, the atmosphere, or a hole in the fucking ground. All they care about is getting more power over the citizens.
On 2009-11-15 at 23:52:32, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@DigitalBoss: I'm saying that the scheme is ill-conceived and purely bureaucratic, and therefore doomed to failure before it even starts. I think you're missing the point that no matter how much our respective governments say that they're going to give us a carbon tax or whatever, their actual actions betray that they have no clue how to implement anything that would actually make a difference. If they were really serious about bleeding you dry for extra cash, they'd actually make a difference to CO₂ emissions as well - but they're too timid to actually do that.
On 2009-11-16 at 00:00:31, DigitalBoss wrote...
It is very simple, they are scratching and clawing for power and control. Every time they are successful, liberty is lost.
On 2009-11-16 at 00:08:58, DigitalBoss wrote...
I just noticed today, there are three indoor firing ranges within 2 miles of my house. You gotta love it. I guess this is still a great country after all.
On 2009-11-16 at 04:52:51, BorgClown wrote...
Lee's got a point there too: Governments are inefficient because they have too many conflicts of interest. They want power, but they don't want to look power hungry: they want money, but they don't want to be perceived as bloodsuckers. It will be good when every citizen understands that one of the cornerstones of politics is called "Lies".
On 2009-11-16 at 16:26:15, DigitalBoss wrote...
It should not be that way though. I believe that citizens should expect to be represented by people of integrity and honesty, and get rid of the ones that let us down.
On 2009-11-16 at 16:36:21, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It's difficult to imagine that such politicians exist, as they represent a particular group of interests and will always 'let down' those who disagree with their policies. Governing is not black-and-white decision making. I do agree that someone should be watching the government and taking action when corruption arises, as citizens usually have little say in how individual politicians are dealt with.
On 2009-11-17 at 03:39:06, BorgClown wrote...
It's hard to expect the same people who rule and make law to rule themselves into honesty.