OpinionOrganised religion contributes nothing to the advancement of human knowledge, introduces people to dubious and outdated ideas of morality, and struggles to keep up with changes and improvements in social norms.
      – Lee J Haywood, 2009-10-15 at 15:51:40   (13 comments)

On 2009-10-15 at 16:48:13, DigitalBoss wrote...
I take it that you are against organized religion.
On 2009-10-15 at 18:47:58, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Organised religion promotes the idea that faith is a valid method of thinking, and lends credibility to it. The so-called 'fundamentalists' use the exact same faith belief system to think about the world as the moderate types do. Faith wouldn't be such an entrenched belief system if it weren't for its promotion by organised religion. But that's not what this topic is about.
On 2009-10-16 at 02:54:15, BorgClown wrote...
When a concept is defended by faith, it's because it has no other merits. I wish I'd remember the quote and author more accurately.
On 2009-10-16 at 03:12:08, BorgClown wrote...
Legolas, what do your elf eyes see? * sees God *** You know, stuff...
On 2009-10-17 at 14:15:17, Thelevellers wrote...
Agreed. Wholeheartedly. Sadly I now work with someone who said (only half jokingly) 'humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time'... *sigh* Why are all the female engineers I meet so bloody ditsy?!?!
On 2009-10-17 at 14:21:22, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It's not enough to simply agree or disagree. What examples are there where organised religion does contribute to knowledge, for example? Perhaps the Vatican's dedication to scientific research should count - or is that it too little for too large an organisation?
On 2009-10-17 at 14:52:09, Thelevellers wrote...
The Vatican is dedicated to scientific research?! Wow. That's about as funny as them celebrating Galileo... Could I use 'alternative' medicine in as an organised religion? It's certainly organised, and the amount of Faith required for most of it to work surely makes it a religion?!
On 2009-10-17 at 16:11:15, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Maybe they only do astronomy, but it's genuine research. http://vaticanobservatory.org/FAQs.html Alternative medicine isn't really based on dogma, and its message is fragmented amongst individual advocates. It's a nice try, but what about Christianity or Islam - don't they make any useful contributions?
On 2009-10-18 at 15:48:28, Thelevellers wrote...
Islam DID in the past make useful contributions, I believe that's where a lot of mathematics comes rom... Now however the vociferous (I hope minority) seem hellbent of clawing back their advances and returning us to the ignorant stone age... :(
On 2009-10-18 at 16:09:24, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Islam has been credited with promoting science by making the pursuit of knowledge a virtue, but what has it done for us lately? Or indeed, any modern religion?
On 2009-10-20 at 16:05:43, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Of course religion does often oppose the advancement of knowledge... http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1931173,00.html
On 2009-10-23 at 22:56:07, BorgClown wrote...
Ah, found the quote I couldn't remember at comment #3: "Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits." Dan Barker, "Losing Faith in Faith", 1992 http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dan_Barker
On 2009-10-29 at 19:38:05, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
In the past, had it not helped us, we wouldn't have kept that particular meme. But at this point in history, yes, Lee is right.