OpinionThe "United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances" has been one of the major mistakes in international laws
      – BorgClown, 2009-09-19 at 02:55:46   (16 comments)

On 2009-09-19 at 02:59:16, BorgClown wrote...
It started the international ban of recreational drugs, and the multiplication of junkies and drug dealers. Before that resolution, drugs were only as controversial as alcohol or tobacco are today.
On 2009-09-19 at 08:52:02, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I'm not sure that you can blame the UN - after all, the drugs were already 'illicit' before international cooperation. And illegal trade is a real problem, in terms of producing shoddy goods, not just for drugs. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/633 There's no doubt that some drugs are much worse than others, and those of us who wouldn't take them even if they were freely available would rather that others didn't get hooked. Those who do take them argue that they should have freedom of choice - i.e. for the wrong reasons, emotional. Asking interested groups is a waste of time - the science already says that decriminalisation is a big improvement. It's not an either-or proposition either, since you can carry on hunting down the criminals at the same time as taking away their markets by instating legal entities to produce and distribute high-quality drugs.
On 2009-09-19 at 09:47:09, Thelevellers wrote...
I'm not convinced it's that convention that's the big problem, as Lee says, we could take their market away by decriminalising it, and then the trafficking would go away on it's own...
On 2009-09-20 at 03:54:58, BorgClown wrote...
I'd go as far as getting drugs legalized, not only decriminalized.
On 2009-09-20 at 13:40:08, Thelevellers wrote...
I think I may well go that far, but if you start with decriminalistaion you have a tiny bit more hope of being sucesful...
On 2009-09-20 at 18:52:56, Lee J Haywood wrote...
What are the benefits of legalising highly-addictive drugs, rather than merely decriminalising them?
On 2009-09-20 at 20:10:52, BorgClown wrote...
Decriminalization means users are nor criminals, so they won't go to jail but into rehabilitation. Any small quantities of drug they have are taken away. Legalization would transform the cartels into tax-generating industries, and stimulate the design of more benign psychotropics. I think it's time the law cracked down on other venues of organized crime, like fraud, counterfeiting, slavery, prostitution, kidnapping, blackmailing, etc. The whole point of the war on drugs is silly compared to those.
On 2009-09-20 at 22:28:53, Lee J Haywood wrote...
But if you take away the market for the cartels with decriminalisation then you ruin them anyway? At which point you can work out which alternatives are best to recommend. You don't need legalisation for either of these things, surely?
On 2009-09-21 at 01:51:15, DigitalBoss wrote...
The WHOLE United Nations is and has been a major mistake.
On 2009-09-21 at 01:56:52, DigitalBoss wrote...
The reason I am for legalization, as opposed to decriminalization, is that the government has no business knowing, or caring, what I do in the privacy of my home. The whole war on drugs is just an excuse to increase the power of the government and to limit your rights as a free citizen of a free republic.
On 2009-09-21 at 01:59:05, DigitalBoss wrote...
If government is bad, an idea in which I firmly believe, then international government must really be bad.
On 2009-09-21 at 02:29:49, BorgClown wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: Decriminalization is for the benefit of the users, not in the prejudice of the drug dealers. The market is still there.
On 2009-09-21 at 02:30:23, BorgClown wrote...
Oh, and it's way cheaper to keep the jails free of druggies.
On 2009-09-21 at 05:06:13, DigitalBoss wrote...
@LeeJ: When drugs are legal, the price goes way down. There will be no big profit for the big drug cartels any longer. Every druggie will grow or make his own stuff.
On 2009-09-21 at 20:12:45, BorgClown wrote...
Precisely, legalization allows you to grow or mix your own drugs, and even sell them without being a criminal. Although I suppose quality controls of some sort would be mandatory for sales.
On 2009-09-22 at 19:15:06, Thelevellers wrote...
I don;t see how decriminalisation gives drug cartels that much of a knock? People still need them to get what they're taking, it's just not so bad for the users if they get caught. If anything my logic says decriminalisation would increase profits for 'the bad guys'? But maybe I'm missing something...