OpinionLiberals/Progressives love government control. If they had their way, they would have the government tell you when to get up and when to get down. Whatever happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? I, for one would rather be free.
      – DigitalBoss, 2009-09-13 at 20:44:00   (42 comments)

On 2009-09-13 at 20:49:12, DigitalBoss wrote...
I don't even want the government to know where I work or how much money I make. Leave me alone. I would rather fail and die a poor wreck, knowing that if I had done things differently, made better decisions, I might have succeeded, rather than to die knowing that I never had a chance.
On 2009-09-14 at 00:04:01, BorgClown wrote...
I'm pretty sure you can still succeed with your current system. Free market is the survival of the fittest (to their environment). Maybe you feel endangered because your environment is changing?
On 2009-09-14 at 03:41:34, DigitalBoss wrote...
Yeah, I guess that is why we have such high an unemployment rate now.
On 2009-09-14 at 03:52:20, DigitalBoss wrote...
The problem is that we don't have a free market anymore. It is a bastardized market. It is becoming harder and harder to start and run a business in this country. People with the wealth to do so are taxed heavily and it will get worse under the current administration and Congress. Try and get a job from a poor person.
On 2009-09-15 at 02:29:58, BorgClown wrote...
What would you do if you had the opportunity to become a government worker? It must be a secure job.
On 2009-09-15 at 02:30:54, BorgClown wrote...
I mean, there's plenty of different areas to work on, there's gotta be something enjoyable there.
On 2010-04-09 at 12:42:42, DigitalBoss wrote...
Your progress can only end one way. http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/04/hitler-was-a-le.html
On 2010-04-12 at 15:03:31, Thelevellers wrote...
The only thin I can say in response to that is this: http://www.theonion.com/video/victim-in-fatal-car-accident-tragically-not-glenn,14380/ Since when is Glenn Beck the authority on anything?
On 2010-04-12 at 17:21:34, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: You may have not been paying attention to the movie. Glenn Beck quoted no fewer than 8 sources for this piece, including the New York Times, George Bernard Shaw, and Hitler himself. Beck is just telling you things from history that the leftist media will not, because it does not serve their purpose. Where do you get your news? The BBC, I imagine. Government news. News that the government wants you to hear. Leaving out the things that they don't want you to hear.
On 2010-04-12 at 20:32:16, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: By the way, you do know that the onion is a satire site, right?
On 2010-04-13 at 17:08:04, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Yes, of course, that's why I was in tears of laughter when I first found that vid. Doesn't stop me agreeing with the sentiment though...
On 2010-04-13 at 19:25:11, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: Still doesn't have anything to do with the real news. Do you watch the real news?
On 2010-04-13 at 20:10:31, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: I realised it has nothing to do with real news... I wasn't claiming it did... I don;t WATCH news, I read the Guardian Weekly, and a certain amount of web based news... Also listen to (shock, horror, BBC) radio 4 in the mornings when I'm working.
On 2010-04-14 at 02:21:17, BorgClown wrote...
These days one hast to read international news to know what's really happening in his own country =( And international news aren't really impartial when there are interests involved. Media mercenaries shouldn't be allowed to work after being uncovered, although with the rise of blogging, you don't have to be a news reporter to report news anymore.
On 2010-04-14 at 02:33:09, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: I have a friend that gets his news from the comedy channel. He watches the daily show with john stewart every day. And he thinks he is informed. Sad.
On 2010-04-14 at 02:34:48, DigitalBoss wrote...
The best television news show about what is going on in washington is special report with bret baier, on foxnews at 6:00PM weekday evenings.
On 2010-04-14 at 02:35:25, BorgClown wrote...
FoxNews, really?
On 2010-04-14 at 02:36:43, DigitalBoss wrote...
Special Report is real news, it is not entertainment like orielly and hannity.
On 2010-04-14 at 02:49:07, BorgClown wrote...
OK, you should know. Here in Mexico Fox News = Infotainment, but we don't get all the news programs of it.
On 2010-04-14 at 10:35:25, Thelevellers wrote...
Yeah, Foxnews is considered infotainment by most other countries I think... And The Daily Show is regarded as one of the best news sources in the US - a fact with is laughable as it is a comedy programme, but it says a lot about the state of news media in the states. I'll try and find a link to the article about it, as it's an obviously ludicrous suggestion, and I wouldn't take me serisouly either! :)
On 2010-04-14 at 10:41:55, Thelevellers wrote...
OK, struggling to find the article I originally read, but this is close enough for me, for now at least: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/mar/13/jon-stewart-cnbc-daily-show
On 2010-04-14 at 15:03:08, DigitalBoss wrote...
If you want to listen to news/talk radio in my city, Atlanta, GA. Here it is: http://wsbradio.com/
On 2010-04-17 at 21:34:23, BorgClown wrote...
@Thelevellers: We've had a couple of news programs like that, serious reporting work combined with comedy. The anchor was a sleazy and creepy clown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brozo
On 2010-04-22 at 13:05:28, DigitalBoss wrote...
@BorgClown: If you get FoxNews, but do not get the real news shows like 'Special Report with Bret Baier' or 'Foxnews Sunday with Chris Walace', then you don't really get FoxNews, you just get the stuff they want you to hear, the opinion. The above mentioned shows are real news, not just opinion like O'Rielly and Hannity.
On 2010-04-22 at 19:05:54, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Real news can still be incredibly biased - a quick glance at the papers over here makes that clear. Selective editing is as bad, if not far worse than opinion. as it gives the illusion of being proper balanced news ,while actually missing important factors out. It's why I like to keep an eye on the headlines in rags like The Sun as well as my regular Guardian reading, just to make sure The Grauniad isnn't screwing up too much.
On 2010-04-23 at 02:44:47, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: Exactly my case against the main-stream media in this country: ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. They 'cherry-pick' the stories that they want us to know, and lying by omission is a form of bias and misdirection. Foxnews tells us the stories that the others will not because they go against what the liberal/communist editors want us to know. The fact that the real news is left out is somewhat telling in it self.
On 2010-04-23 at 02:48:11, DigitalBoss wrote...
The main-stream network news in the US is basically worthless if you want to know what the politicians are doing in Washington. They cover stories like 'Oh, today we will track your packages to see if they will arrive in time for Christmas' and simple-minded drivel as such. They DO NOT want us to know what the politicians are doing in Washington.
On 2010-04-23 at 11:46:35, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Yeah, but from what I've seen Fox are as guilty, just in reverse... It sounds like you keep tabs on the other media outlets, which is good, but a lot of peopel don't, and assume that what Fox says is gospel... I have seen enough clips of Fox (and others, of course) blatantly misrepresenting information to know that's not the case...
On 2010-04-25 at 16:26:56, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: At least Fox covers the issues and doesn't ignore them. And when they do, they usually have one person from each side to tell their side's story. Hell, before Fox News, I didn't even know there was another side. I was a brainwashed democrat.
On 2010-04-25 at 16:30:51, DigitalBoss wrote...
People will tell you that the dems are for the little guy, or the poor, and that republicans for corporations or for the rich. That is not true. Republicans in the US are for less government and less taxes, which equals more liberty and freedom, and requires more personal responsibility. dems are for more government, more taxes, less freedom and less personal responsibility. Plain as the nose on your face.
On 2010-04-25 at 16:32:39, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: I would like to know of the specific issue where you caught Fox deliberately misrepresenting the facts. Usually when people say that they can't back it up.
On 2010-04-25 at 18:13:46, Thelevellers wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Well here's one, though I'm not allowed to watch this clip (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-10-2009/sean-hannity-uses-glenn-beck-s-protest-footage) but I did watch the episode when it was broadcast. I would ordinarily look harder and find some better/more ones, as I'm sure I've seen at least three really blatant screwups, but I am in a good mood today having finally got myself a girlfriend gain, and don't wanna kill my happy just yet... :)
On 2010-04-25 at 21:51:38, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: Sorry, I don't watch the daily show. You do know that it is comedy, not news, right?
On 2010-04-26 at 18:09:02, Thelevellers wrote...
Yeah, but it still makes an amazing number of valid points - such as the one in that clip, it just shows a clip of Fox news and points out the errors. Just so happens to be funny too... Or at least I tend to laugh as it's either that or cry at the state of the world :(
On 2010-04-27 at 13:49:36, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: The problem I have with such, is that you don't know what was edited and the context in which it was said. That is why I don't get my news from Jay Leno, David Letterman, or the daily show, or colbert, for that matter. They are comedy, not news. I have watched them all, and I know. I am 50 years old. I know the games that are played. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, paid the lawyers.
On 2010-06-30 at 21:58:04, Thelevellers wrote...
Talking of not knowing what's been edited... http://www.politicususa.com/en/maddow-fox-news Pretty fail as far as I can see...
On 2010-07-01 at 12:03:41, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Thelevellers: I'm sure that CNN or MSNBC or ABC or CBS or BBC or doesn't edit any of it's video. Get real. Maybe NPR doesn't edit any video.
On 2010-07-01 at 20:06:26, Thelevellers wrote...
it's not the editing, if you think its just editing video that's the problem you missed the point completely. fox clearly completely misrepresented what happened in real life - that's not ok from anyone. the bbc were caught doing it over here and were dragged over hot coals by the whole nation and is now running, a little too, scared. editing video is of course normal, but editing to change the outcome of events is completely and utterly out of place on a 'serious news channel'.
On 2010-07-23 at 06:29:17, TheRevolutionary wrote...
If its on TV its not news. I don't care if it's CNN, MSNBC, Fox, or Comedy effing Central. The only real reason to watch the TV 'news' is to know what mystery meat the masses are being fed. And don't even get me started on 'liberal' or 'conservative' bias in the media. The status quo consists of two equally corrupt 'sides' feigning real debate. The only bias of the media worth mentioning is the bias towards the established order. I'm less concerned about whether my news source supports tweedle dee or tweedle dumbass than about whether the news realizes both candidates care not about the people whose votes they fight over. Arguing about whether there is a liberal or conservative bias in the media is like arguing with a vegetarian about whether to have pork or beef for dinner.
On 2010-07-23 at 06:36:07, TheRevolutionary wrote...
Oh, and to actually answer the main question. Liberals in government love government control for the same reason that Conservatives in government do. The constituents also want government control, just in areas that will affect someone else more than them. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that a government of either party will relinquish control except at gunpoint.
On 2010-07-24 at 03:51:28, BorgClown wrote...
Recently I was thinking about the nuclear bomb, the space race, the war on terrorism... It seems governments need big projects to spend big, lest they become smaller.
On 2010-07-24 at 07:04:08, TheRevolutionary wrote...
@BorgClown: Precisely. Like everything else, governments have two options: grow, or die.