OpinionGive us a century or two and we will turn the whole planet into a place from which most people will want to depart.
      – Lee J Haywood, 2009-09-04 at 15:16:07   (39 comments)

On 2009-09-04 at 15:19:03, Lee J Haywood wrote...
So who's optimistic about the future of the Earth, and who's pessimistic? Personally, I think that we'll probably be lucky and things will eventually improve without destroying everything - but before then, there will be terrible problems and society will either collapse or be on the brink. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01krauss.html
On 2009-09-04 at 16:30:21, Thelevellers wrote...
I hate to agree, but I think that there would have to be a major catastrophe for enough people to agree to change our lifestyles etc to make a difference... I just hope I die before then - and that for humanity's sake we sort inter-galagtic travel somehow ;)
On 2009-09-04 at 17:01:14, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Yes, motivation always comes too late - it's the tragedy of the commons, but on a global scale. I always think that DigitalBoss must not care about future generations, and only his own lifetime, given his self-centred approach to everything. Intergalactic means between galaxies - interstellar travel would be sufficient. Obviously technological advances are required, but it's more a case of making new discoveries - no combination of existing technologies will get us going fast enough. It's tough to imagine what discovery would do the trick though.
On 2009-09-04 at 17:19:13, Thelevellers wrote...
I was trying to think what inter-solar system was... Lol word failure hits me far too much at the moment, I need to engage in more intelligent conversation... I can never make up my mind if I would want to do a one way trip or not. One part of me is definitely excited by the idea, but I think I might be too much of a homeboy overall... But one way travel is gonna be really tempting a lot sooner than I'd like I suspect! :S
On 2009-09-04 at 23:25:10, George wrote...
"Give us a century or two and we will turn the whole planet into a place from which most people will want to depart." Will it take us that long?
On 2009-09-05 at 03:18:32, BorgClown wrote...
Georges, welcomes backs!
On 2009-09-05 at 03:23:20, BorgClown wrote...
Oh, I disagree BTW. Unless depart means suicide, i don't think many people would enjoy space travel as it currently is. It is incredibly inconvenient: cramped spaces, weird bathrooms, crappy food, smelly environment, bone loss and a long etc. Endure that for years of interstellar travel? Nooo, thanks.
On 2009-09-05 at 08:23:56, Thelevellers wrote...
But imagine what we could do to imprive that in 100 years... Oh, and don;t be telling me your techno-cat there would say no! :P
On 2009-09-05 at 16:02:50, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I was just paraphrasing the article - I think it probably won't take much more than 50 years to really see the feedbacks from climate change and overuse of land and resources. @BorgClown: I didn't mention space in the topic title - it's more a question of people not wanting to live on the planet rather than actually wanting to leave, if you see the distinction.
On 2009-09-05 at 19:18:44, BorgClown wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: You sneaky poster, unfortunately your link in the first comment clearly indicates it's a space-travel issue. I was tempted to add "unle4ss you mean suicide" to my answer, but the intention was obvious.
On 2009-09-05 at 19:20:32, BorgClown wrote...
@Thelevellers: This is a longcat, for interstellar space travel he simply leans carefully to the nearest planet. While its feet are still in Earth.
On 2009-09-05 at 19:22:37, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Sounds like a space elevator. It'll never work. I don't generally expect everyone to read linked articles, and that one was just the inspiration for the topic.
On 2009-09-05 at 19:26:20, BorgClown wrote...
Of course it will work. Begone, Longcat unbeliever!
On 2009-09-05 at 19:29:30, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Everyone knows that cats cannot be made from carbon nanotubes.
On 2009-09-05 at 19:32:39, BorgClown wrote...
Carbon nanotubes is what you get when Longcat spits a hairball. And they are magical
On 2009-09-05 at 19:34:46, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Magic doesn't exist. There's no mechanism for it to do so.
On 2009-09-05 at 19:36:01, BorgClown wrote...
Alright, Longcat is not magical, it's just technologically advanced enough to appear magical.
On 2009-09-06 at 16:24:35, DigitalBoss wrote...
I already want to depart.
On 2009-09-06 at 16:34:38, DigitalBoss wrote...
Too many communist nanny-statists.
On 2009-09-06 at 21:18:28, BorgClown wrote...
Of course, libertarians must buy their mothership out of their own pocket.
On 2009-09-06 at 21:22:28, BorgClown wrote...
It's just a couple of millions per seat. You don't have them? OK, you can get a loan from the rich libertarians and pay it with hard work or political allegiance.
On 2009-09-07 at 02:29:23, DigitalBoss wrote...
You communists love poor people so much... try and get a poor person to build your mothership. Rich people rock!
On 2009-09-07 at 03:53:02, BorgClown wrote...
People are communal beings, what's so wrong in your world with community cooperation? In general terms, a community is vastly greater than an individual. There have been a few very influential individuals who have changed the fate of communities, but they are a few. You, me and the 99.9% of the human race still fare better in communities and cooperation that by ourselves.
On 2009-09-07 at 04:07:14, DigitalBoss wrote...
I believe in people helping people, but it should be voluntary, not forced by the government. I am a big believer in charity and philanthropy. Besides, the government can help people all they want with money they get from somewhere else, just don't take it from me.
On 2009-09-08 at 02:17:55, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
A lot of people already want to depart.
On 2009-09-10 at 15:04:16, Baslisks wrote...
In my apartment full of engineers.... We have one guy building a balloon to space and the rest of us are building rapid prototyping machines. I believe in a more terra centric world right now but I don't doubt we'd be free of this gravity well soon.
On 2009-09-10 at 17:04:25, DigitalBoss wrote...
gravity is a mother!
On 2009-09-10 at 19:24:14, Thelevellers wrote...
I've never been on a baloon ride before - how cool would it be to make my first one into space?! :O
On 2009-09-11 at 01:20:05, BorgClown wrote...
@Baslisks: WTF? Balloons can't float without atmosphere, how is your friend implementing the space part?
On 2009-09-11 at 10:07:15, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@BorgClown: There's no exact cut-off that marks the boundary of space, any more than the sun has an edge. A balloon can reach a height of about 20 miles (like Kittinger's jump), whereas outer space starts at 62 miles (100 km) and anyone reaching 50 miles (80 km) is designated an astronaut by the US. Realistically, when you're 20 miles up the Earth's curvature is clearly visible and the air is very thin - the balloon will inflate considerably. Check out this photograph/set from an amateur launch up to about 18.5 miles... http://www.flickr.com/photos/arena5/3103366991/in/set-72157611198154954/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/arena5/sets/72157611198154954/
On 2009-09-11 at 14:14:35, Baslisks wrote...
@BorgClown: I believe his goal is to float a ship with a solid rocket booster or the likes. Hits the apex and then woosh thrust. Makes it much easier to break the gravity well.
On 2009-09-12 at 04:21:05, BorgClown wrote...
That's more like it. I reckon, as Lee says, that a space balloon can be called that way if it merely licks the edge of outer space zone, but it didn't seem as edgy as your other projects. Pun intended.
On 2009-09-25 at 17:32:30, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Here's another flight, which I like because the camera records the sound (including the balloon popping) and they've cut down the hours of ascent/descent and left 10 minutes of the beginning/middle/end. It may make you travel sick though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lie0diOhfdg
On 2009-09-25 at 20:35:51, Thelevellers wrote...
Wow, that was really cool... Made me feel a little ill though :S
On 2009-09-25 at 21:12:15, BorgClown wrote...
OMG, mayday, mayday!
On 2009-09-25 at 22:10:03, Thelevellers wrote...
Definitely ill infact, lasted for about 5-10 min after I stopped watching, and I only got to ~6min... :s FAR worse than Cloverfield! :P
On 2009-09-25 at 22:15:32, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Thelevellers: I might try the HD version on the big screen. (-:
On 2009-09-26 at 07:27:59, Thelevellers wrote...
*shudders* I did actually realise hat it may of had more to do with the decidely dodgy deep-fried cheese thing I had from my local takeaway, as I didn't feel great when I went to bed either... :S
On 2009-09-26 at 22:31:22, BorgClown wrote...
If you puked, I at least expect you to have taken a picture and use it as your avvy here.