Opinion"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, founding father of the United States of America.
      – DigitalBoss, 2009-08-30 at 16:21:32   (19 comments)

On 2009-08-30 at 16:22:03, DigitalBoss wrote...
I love Benjamin Franklin.
On 2009-08-30 at 16:31:36, DigitalBoss wrote...
Before signing the US Constitution, he said: "In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other." He knew that sooner or later the citizens would vote to loot the treasury for their security.
On 2009-08-31 at 01:06:13, BorgClown wrote...
...against two well-armed wolves. Same outcome.
On 2009-08-31 at 01:08:19, BorgClown wrote...
I think the closer USA has come to that well-armed lamb contesting the vote was the secession war. Democracy tossed aside, the rule of the stronger.
On 2009-08-31 at 01:09:23, DigitalBoss wrote...
The tree of liberty needs to be nourished with the blood of patriots from time to time.
On 2009-08-31 at 01:10:26, DigitalBoss wrote...
At least the lamb had a fighting chance.
On 2009-08-31 at 01:22:12, BorgClown wrote...
Dream-eyed Benjamin forgot that the proportion of wolves and lambs is usually the reverse.
On 2009-08-31 at 02:18:39, DigitalBoss wrote...
The point is that the US Constitution stood up for individual rights not Democracy. Minority rights. The individual is the smallest minority. The individual rights are more important than what the democratic majority decides. The founding fathers hated democracy, the word is not even mentioned in the Constitution.
On 2009-08-31 at 18:19:51, Baslisks wrote...
@BorgClown: mmm wolves can't survive off the one lamb...
On 2009-08-31 at 20:45:30, BorgClown wrote...
@Baslisks: Damn right, each wolf need many lambs. The wolf is the minority.
On 2009-08-31 at 22:49:03, Thelevellers wrote...
Hence why the lambs need the power to keep themselves safe from the wolves ;) (couldn't resist)
On 2009-09-01 at 12:37:41, Baslisks wrote...
its just analogies like that... When two wolves surround a lamb, its going to die. Though normally you have a flock. Not saying the wolf is right but it does what it does.
On 2009-09-01 at 15:16:24, DigitalBoss wrote...
Not if it is a well-armed lamb.
On 2009-09-01 at 15:23:15, DigitalBoss wrote...
I thought that was an explanation that even juveniles could understand, evidently not. Let us imagine that 62% of people decided there should no longer be a right to speak up against the government, and the US Congress voted to make it illegal for you to speak out against the government (like in Venezuela). The Judicial branch of our government would rule that the law was unconstitutional and it would be repealed. The 62% is Democracy. The Constitution protects the rights of the individual even against a Democratic majority.
On 2009-09-01 at 15:37:45, Baslisks wrote...
That is perfectly fine but not everything is anti-constitutional and needs the peoples input. We need a Shepard not a god damned missile sheep. A Shepard raises the sheep to be the most productive it can be, pretty much stands back and watches and just kind of directs them, eh also carries a big stick to which to bat the big wolves away. The sheep get their way mostly but a Shepard protects and directs them. There a better analogy for politics. A goddamn sheep is going to die surrounded by two wolves its how it works.
On 2009-09-01 at 19:42:04, DigitalBoss wrote...
wtf?
On 2009-09-01 at 22:13:40, Baslisks wrote...
That was me beating you at your own game.
On 2009-09-01 at 22:19:25, DigitalBoss wrote...
I think that is you driveling on yourself.
On 2009-09-01 at 22:41:40, Thelevellers wrote...
Made sense to me...