PollI have a personality trait that ISN'T being a Libertarian.
      – Scarletxstarlet, 2009-08-29 at 07:17:46   (31 comments)

On 2009-08-29 at 14:38:52, Thelevellers wrote...
*giggles* Oh dear... *waits*
On 2009-08-29 at 18:46:29, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
@Thelevellers: I know, it's probably kind of immature. But I get so sick and tired of everyone worrying about what "the Founders intended" and "the American way." If it isn't working for us anymore, it's time to try something new.
On 2009-08-29 at 20:33:15, Thelevellers wrote...
Yeah, it is, but it's hard not to stoop to that level at times... I've always been confused by the seemingly blind support of the 'American way' - that ideal is actually possibly one of the reasons I wouldn't wanna live in the US. Along with the rampant religiosity :P
On 2009-08-30 at 15:21:34, DigitalBoss wrote...
My dear, it is simply all about freedom. One cannot be completely free, unless allowed to fail. Failure is as important a part of liberty as is success. I know that the government programs can give you a warm and fuzzy feeling of security, but if you accept them, you are automatically giving up a portion of your freedom. It all goes back to Benjamin Franklin's quote: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. And on a second point, as long as the left insists on implementing Marxist Leninist Socialism, I will feel free to quote the founding fathers of this country, they had a completely different idea of what this country should be about.
On 2009-08-30 at 15:23:00, DigitalBoss wrote...
I know that is hard for you to comprehend when you go to a government school that disdains the founding fathers so.
On 2009-08-30 at 15:39:41, Thelevellers wrote...
I think Scarlett has a point here: The founding fathers lived a bloody long time ago - are their views really still that relevant?
On 2009-08-30 at 15:42:42, DigitalBoss wrote...
Is liberty relevant? I would say yes. Even more so now when there is such an effort to take it away. I think your comment of "religiosity" is misguided. The left likes to portray us as such, especially when Bush was in office. We love our freedom, freedom of religion is part of that. We have the freedom to not practice a religion also if we wish.
On 2009-08-30 at 15:50:54, Thelevellers wrote...
I'm not pointing at libertarians as religious as such, I'm pointing to America as a whole as far too religious for my liking - case in point: UK: Darwin is on our money. US: 'In God We Trust' is on your money. Political parties aside that is wrong to me. And the aspiration towards freedom is cool, but the route towards it is what I would debate, and you never know, the founding fathers might have agreed with us had they been brought up nowadays, just as then they had slaves because it was the status quo...
On 2009-08-30 at 15:51:52, DigitalBoss wrote...
The world's countries are all moving to bigger more powerful governments, Europe especially. Our founding fathers saw the problems of big government and tried to setup the US so the federal government would stay small and the state governments would have the power. Citizens would be free to move from state to state seeking the one that had a government they approved of or was beneficial to them. Over the years, communists have deliberately taken steps to pass amendments to the Constitution that give the federal government more power. Every time the federal government gets more powerful, the citizen loses liberty. The founding fathers knew that our current situation was going to happen sooner or later, they tried everything they could think of to keep it from happening. They knew that once the citizens realized that they could vote themselves loot from the treasury that we would not last much longer.
On 2009-08-30 at 15:57:48, Thelevellers wrote...
Basically the founding dream of America is how I would like to see the world -The UN keeping an eye in general, with all the countries peacefully doing it their own way. I like it, I guess it's gone too far the other way now though. Can I just ask, if your state wanted universal healthcare, would that be good? It not being federal government, but state level.
On 2009-08-30 at 16:02:25, DigitalBoss wrote...
I live in the state of Georgia, we are pretty conservative here. If the citizens wanted it, and the government could do it right, yes, that would be the way to do it. Citizens that did not like it or agree with it could move to another state. Each state would be like an experiment. Thia happens to some extent now. People are moving out of California now because of its high taxes. Same thing in many European countries. Population decreasing, people moving to lower tax countries.
On 2009-08-30 at 16:06:50, DigitalBoss wrote...
There is a fundamental problem with universal healthcare. You are taking from citizens their wealth by force to pay for someone else's goods and services. The citizen could be using that wealth to provide for their own family. The citizen could be making good decisions in their life, looking out for their family, and the government is taking their wealth and providing it to someone who may be making poor decisions in their life. It is just fundamentally wrong.
On 2009-08-30 at 17:44:54, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
@DigitalBoss: I graduated two years ago and am thoroughly convinced that everything high school attempts to teach children is absolute drivel. Any knowledge I have, I acquired through extensive reading, experience, and witnessing other people's mistakes. Not through government education.
On 2009-08-30 at 17:47:28, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
And besides, DB, the reason I made this thread was to point out that ALL you ever talk about is freedom, freedom, freedom. What other values and interests do you have? Inquiring minds want to know.
On 2009-08-30 at 18:42:13, DigitalBoss wrote...
I see such a drive to what most people don't realize is communism that I feel compelled to speak up against it. I like young girls:) Just kidding. Well, I guess I wasn't. I like computers, aircraft, boats, movies, and I am now learning how to make the perfect pizza dough. I am much more political than have I ever been. I feel as though I was indoctrinated by the liberal media, the AJC (Atlanta Journal and Constitution) and CNN for 20 years. I did not even know what the other side was about, they mis-represent so much.
On 2009-08-30 at 20:15:33, Thelevellers wrote...
But 'your side' do that too - Fox news being the big republican news channel - nuff said. OK, so I can imagine that they are maybe not your choice of news source, but the point is that US (and a lot of UK, I'll be honest) media just seems pretty good at being rubbish either way...
On 2009-08-30 at 20:53:11, DigitalBoss wrote...
Foxnews did not start until about 1996, before that all we had was indoctrination.
On 2009-08-30 at 21:24:15, Thelevellers wrote...
And Foxnews isn't indoctrination?!
On 2009-08-30 at 22:19:53, BorgClown wrote...
I was tempted to pick the third, since DB himself didn't. Bad clown.
On 2009-08-30 at 22:37:26, Baslisks wrote...
I have stopped posting because it came down to "zombie apocalypse" "Oh well its all the fault of liberals and universal health care." I think you are a troll just fucking with us. I really do.
On 2009-08-31 at 00:18:48, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
@DigitalBoss: I would love to taste this pizza dough. Is it wheat? Homemade wheat pizza is dee-lightful.
On 2009-08-31 at 00:48:11, DigitalBoss wrote...
I add a little wheat flour, just enough to give it a wheat taste. I love the yeasty smell of fresh dough. mmmmm, I made one tonight, it was good. There is some left, want some?
On 2009-08-31 at 00:49:25, DigitalBoss wrote...
@Baslicks: Thank you for your consideration.
On 2009-08-31 at 01:36:07, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
@DigitalBoss: I would love some! My mom makes hers with water chestnuts, carrots, cauliflower, broccoli, tomato sauce, and a blend of parmesan and mozzarella.
On 2009-08-31 at 02:14:39, DigitalBoss wrote...
Where do you live? I am a carnivore, so it has meat on it. I add tomato sauce, peperoni, onion, green olives, and mozzarella cheese. The one I made tonight is a thin and crispy crust.
On 2009-08-31 at 02:36:13, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
@DigitalBoss: I reside in the third largest city in Kentucky.
On 2009-08-31 at 02:37:51, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
I like chicken on my pizza, too. Cici's offers some excellent buffalo chicken pizza, as well as spinach pizza and macaroni and cheese pizza.
On 2009-08-31 at 04:24:43, BorgClown wrote...
Oh, FFS, too much huggy-feely going here. SiSsy and DeeBee under a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G I kid, sry.
On 2009-08-31 at 11:19:37, Thelevellers wrote...
lol @ Borg... Homemade pizza is the best... Have either of you tried scone base?! I love it - if you make it slightly sweet as well it makes for an interesting sweet/savoury mix :) I'm due a baking bug... Hmmm...
On 2009-08-31 at 13:53:29, DigitalBoss wrote...
Kentucky is cool. I would like to visit there some day. I have never been up north. Would also like to go to Virginia. I LOVE Mello Mushroom's Funky Q Chicken Pizza. It has barbecue chicken on it. MAN IT IS GOOD.
On 2009-08-31 at 13:54:52, DigitalBoss wrote...
Maybe you don't have Mello Mushroom around you. It is a hippie pizza joint here in the Atlanta metro area.