OpinionMoral 'rules' should not be written down/recorded.
      – Thelevellers, 2009-08-20 at 09:56:11   (8 comments)

On 2009-08-20 at 09:57:50, Thelevellers wrote...
This was brought up on a radio show called 'The Atheist and the Bishop' (maybe the titles were the other way around, I forget) last night. Someone said that by writing morals down you open them up to mis-interpretation by people who want to subvert the staus-quo - the general confusion surrounding all relgious texts being the obvious best example.
On 2009-08-20 at 11:14:31, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Similar to the atheist's bible idea (http://discussionator.com/?id=419), which apparently A C Grayling is working on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jul/05/a-c-grayling-this-much-i-know I did try my hand at writing an atheist bible, but there's no obvious way to structure it like a theist one so I'm not convinced that one would be any good. It's tough to be philosophical and scientifically accurate at the same time - someone will always find fault, although I guess at least an atheist bible would be subject to change unlike a theist's!
On 2009-08-21 at 08:15:01, BorgClown wrote...
They have to be written somewhere. Let's call them "proposals" so no one dies because of them.
On 2009-08-21 at 09:42:03, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I voted the wrong way - didn't see the 'not'. Certainly everyone should think for themselves, and that's an argument against writing a bible, but at the same time it'd be better to have something to point to and say that we have morals. In a way, we need a sort of pseudo-religion based on logic - much like the teachings of Surak. At least then we'd give an introduction to logical, rational thinking to those who struggle by themselves. The danger is that the original author loses control of their creation after they die. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surak
On 2009-08-22 at 09:08:38, BorgClown wrote...
Wow, he has a homepage! http://www.surak.org/
On 2009-08-22 at 10:34:51, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Hmm, it's good that someone has attempted to produce the writings of Surak, but inevitably it's a question of writing down some common sense ideas and allowing some personal beliefs to slip in as well. I guess a wiki with a page for each topic would work better - e.g. separated ideas about murder, charity, etc., that introduce people to ideas that they might not have encountered before. For example, the Islamic requirement to give 2.5 per cent of your money to charity is a good example for us all to follow (I gave 3.4% in 2007).
On 2009-08-24 at 17:22:56, Thelevellers wrote...
I think that a wiki style 'bible' would be good, it makes the point that it is not an immutable law book, and so couldn't be used to justify any war mongering... :)
On 2009-08-28 at 08:36:43, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Perhaps it's better to start with as short a list of rules as possible, then expand on each one of those - not just have a big list of unrelated ideas. http://discussionator.com/?id=633