OpinionRecreational drugs are harmful for your health.
      – BorgClown, 2009-07-19 at 08:08:01   (16 comments)

On 2009-07-19 at 08:19:20, BorgClown wrote...
At least our current recreational drugs are. Today there is no such thing as a safe drug, even less if abused, and abuse is highly dependent on the natural tolerance of each body. The culture of recreational drugs that permeates youth since the sixties has an aura of freedom, spiritualness and pragmatism, and it buries under the carpet the cost in health, lives and suffering of your loved ones. Personally, I'm not against legalization of recreational drugs or people doing them out of curiosity, but I'm strongly against permanent use and abuse. The more you do them, the more you lose yourself in them, even if you can't (or don't want to) realize it.
On 2009-07-19 at 16:13:40, Lee J Haywood wrote...
They're bad for your mental health, but the evidence for permanent damage varies from drug to drug and there are conflicting studies. The main issue is that you're messing with your brain chemistry and aren't really yourself, which seems disingenuous to those of us who value a clear and intelligent mind. For creative types, it probably seems like an improvement. A lot of people think that marijuana legalisation will happen, but I don't think we non-smokers will ever accept second hand smoking and such a revolting smell no matter what the science says about safety.
On 2009-07-23 at 02:17:07, BorgClown wrote...
Drugs cause damage to more vital organs: Liver, kidneys, pancreas... It's not a matter of mental or psychological damage, periodical use risks your long-term health. For example, watch the ending credits of Philip K. Dick's "A Scanner Darkly", it's a homage to his fellow junkies who died or got permanent damage from drugs used in the 60's-70's IIRC. Bad stories are rarely shared among regular drug users, it must be detrimental for the coolness of being stoned.
On 2009-07-23 at 04:55:18, Baslisks wrote...
drugs are bad but drug criminalization is even worse. You get all the horrible problems with none of the tax benefits.
On 2009-07-23 at 08:31:21, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It's tough to argue that all drugs cause damage to organs when alcohol is legal and damages the liver too. Not all drugs are equal, and some are more damaging than others. As Baslisks points out, being branded a criminal has a much greater impact on someone's life than the drugs themselves. In a way, that's the idea behind criminalisation - to make taking drugs a worse idea than it would be otherwise - but it's disproportionate for some drugs. Ideally, I'd like to see the government do some actual research for alternatives to alcohol and tobacco - especially now that smoking is on its way out - and create a market for a safer drug.
On 2009-07-23 at 09:28:03, Thelevellers wrote...
At the very least they are all harmful in so far as they usually make you do stuff you wouldn't normally, which can often leave you open to harm! (from STD's to breaking your neck...) More research is a great idea, it seems so silly that governments refuse to even DISCUSS drugs for fear they will look bad - it's stupid...
On 2009-07-23 at 18:16:53, Baslisks wrote...
I really don't like these smoking bans, I don't smoke but... I just don't like the idea of banning all public places.
On 2009-07-25 at 17:53:56, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Smoking bans are along the path to simply stopping smoking altogether. Realistically, if smoking were invented today it wouldn't be allowed in the first place.
On 2009-07-27 at 09:29:48, Thelevellers wrote...
Smoking is a problem for me: I hate being around it, but I can't make people stop and whinge at them about it cause I agree with them that that's a bit 'gittish'. So I'm all for and completely against the smoking ban! Lol... My ex was tricky, cause while I knew (and indeed,know,) that even if I was the type to try and make her stop smoking she would probably left me as a matter of principle, at the same time smoking is one of the biggest possible turn offs for me! I think she maybe did me a favour ditching me :P
On 2009-07-27 at 11:33:55, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I wouldn't want to get involved with a smoker, but it can take a while to find out about that someone is one by which time you might be too involved. One can only hope that it becomes uncool enough that everyone stops.
On 2009-07-28 at 05:33:28, BorgClown wrote...
Don't smokers actually smell like tobacco smoke? Their clothes and hair particularly.
On 2009-07-28 at 07:54:36, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It depends on how often they smoke - some only smoke once a day (or maybe less). You can talk to someone without getting close enough to realise, and I've known women who smoke whilst hiding it from their boyfriends. By the time you get to actually making physical contact with someone, you've probably invested a lot of time and effort getting to know them, and to then find out that they're a secret smoker leaves you in a quandary.
On 2009-07-29 at 02:09:08, BorgClown wrote...
The solution is to become a secret junkie, mustn't let them get the upper hand.
On 2009-07-30 at 09:28:51, Thelevellers wrote...
Literal Lol in the Library at Borg! Oops... Lee is right, my ex smokes 'socially' (part of what annoy(ed/s) me), i.e. when out drinking with smokers she will smoke too, either with the excuse of 'keeping them company', or 'because it mixes with a drink' or whatever... And yes, immediatelyc after a fag they stink of smoke, and their mouth is not the same for a long while (she used to try getting a kiss before going and smoking as she knew she wouldn't get one after, but I was smart to that as often as possible!), but if it's only occaisionally then they can get rid of the smell faily easily...
On 2009-08-01 at 15:40:58, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
I would take it a step further and say even nonrecreational drugs are harmful to your health. I mean, chemo? Anyone? As far as which ones are the worst, that really depends on your physical makeup, psychological profile, etc. Personally, I hate cigarettes and prescription pills worse than anything else. Living in an area where those two are the most highly abused, I've seen firsthand that they ruin lives. Young people take their grandparents' desperately needed pain medication in handfuls. Families who live in rundown trailers spend $500 a month on cigarettes. I would like to conclude my lecture by saying that in this case, as in most others, legislation is not the answer.
On 2009-08-02 at 01:51:41, BorgClown wrote...
Bur harmful prescription drugs are prescribed because taking them harms you less than letting a medical condition untreated. Cancer treatments are some of the harshest ways of dying, but since survival rates are much better than spontaneous cancer remission, in the end they're improving your health. Recreational drugs, unless of the yet fictional "Soma" kind, are invariably harmful when regularly consumed. Maybe if they were only used as a special treat the benefit would outweigh the harm.