OpinionThe founding fathers of *any country* were just politicians, and that is, they were probably just looking for power or wealth. History has given them an undeserved aura of morality.
      – BorgClown, 2009-06-10 at 01:26:13   (7 comments)

On 2009-06-10 at 01:29:07, BorgClown wrote...
Completely agree. Winners write history, but if you want to know the other side, look for history books of other countries who talk about yours. You'll be surprised how selfish and unscrupulous most of those heroes were. History lies about itself.
On 2009-06-10 at 17:34:25, DigitalBoss wrote...
I don't care how nice they were, or if they kicked their cats, I believe in the spirit and reason that they used in writing our Constitution.
On 2009-06-11 at 01:53:12, BorgClown wrote...
It'd be cool if people wouldn't call them "The Founding Fathers". It's idealizing and demagogic.
On 2009-06-11 at 21:27:15, DigitalBoss wrote...
Typical of the left; trying to ignore facts that they don't like. Get used to it, the US was founded by men who had a much different view of a free country and free citizens than modern liberal leftist socialists can tolerate.
On 2009-06-12 at 01:19:40, Baslisks wrote...
We still have the constitution. It is a sturdy document. I like it. Protects our basic rights. Now the laws we have besides the constitution are answers to shit it doesn't cover. I don't think the "founding fathers" predicted air planes and the internet and we have to respond accordingly. They didn't predict assault rifles and hand guns. You get the idea?
On 2009-06-22 at 11:53:43, Lee J Haywood wrote...
The founders of almost any country are likely to be soldiers or simple colonisers, not politicians at all. The US has a short history, excluding early American natives, and has put a lot of emphasis on its founding and chain of leadership since then. Modern politicians don't have an 'aura of morality' at all, as far as I can tell. Religious leaders tend to (falsely) claim one, however, and are elevated beyond their deserved level. What politicians really need is to be kept in check by a free population that keeps them under scrutiny.
On 2009-06-24 at 02:25:02, BorgClown wrote...
Interesting comparisong between politic and religious leaders, they're much the same. Politics inherently requires hypocrisy. If you're good at deceiving, you're a natural politician. And religion involves a lot of deceiving too, be it deliberate or via wishful thinking. Dang, fraudsters also require leadership and deceiving...