ProblemWhat is the worst thing about universal health care?
      – Baslisks, 2009-05-21 at 06:03:46   (11 comments)

On 2009-05-21 at 06:04:58, Baslisks wrote...
I was thinking high taxes. Just so much to be maintained with so little funds.
On 2009-05-21 at 12:43:09, Thelevellers wrote...
I would say poor quality hospitals in a lot of cases, and HUGE waiting lists - though that's possibly cause the taxes aren't high enough?! lol... I have only ever paid UK taxes, and not much of that (I have usually ended up earning under the yearly allowance an not paid any so far), so I couldn't say if they are high or not really... The positives are HUGE for me though - free insulin and associated items for the rest of my life - I'm never living in America now! lol...
On 2009-05-21 at 18:41:52, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Generally the NHS is very good, but it has become a bureaucratic nightmare. It suffers particularly from low-paid staff and overpaid managers. In the UK we pay income tax and National Insurance (NI). Both have their own calculations which are very different from each other, and NI is supposedly there to fund the NHS but in reality is just another tax. Personally I think it's great that I pay taxes to fund the NHS, which I view as no different from the police and fire services. They're all essential when you need them, and the idea that a modern country wouldn't provide the most crucial service to its citizens (other than in emergencies) is appalling. In some sense NI payments are little different to a form of health insurance that is paid as a tax - but with almost everyone contributing and everyone able to benefit, the system works well for its age. The main issue, as stated, is that it needs a serious clean-up to become more efficient. But then so does the US system.
On 2009-05-21 at 21:12:24, Baslisks wrote...
Now, how would a normal everyday person go about fixing that problem?
On 2009-05-21 at 21:45:45, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Wise voting?
On 2009-05-22 at 06:19:11, BorgClown wrote...
Voting and petitions are about the only things the average citizen can do about health care. If no politician is interested in untangling that mess, bad luck. BTW, the worse thing about universal health care is the waste of resources, which gives a smoke screen to the inner corruption. The second worst thing is the abysmal quality of service, compared to private institutions. You'd figure that the service should be proportional to the taxes you pay for it, but usually people get a much lower return.
On 2009-05-22 at 12:23:28, Thelevellers wrote...
Fair points Borg, but the term 'value for money' springs to mind, admittedly in the 'TESCO VALUE' (uber sized cheapo supermarket value range) sense...
On 2009-05-22 at 20:26:24, BorgClown wrote...
I didn't know what "Tesco value" meant. Now I do. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/student/student_life/article3030789.ece
On 2009-05-22 at 20:40:16, Lee J Haywood wrote...
That was an interesting article to read. I don't recall ever buying anything from the value range, in spite of shopping there every other time. I've read another article which pointed out that the Value packaging they use is deliberately designed to look awful to force people with enough money to spend on the non-value items to spend more. After all, the more you charge for something the more you can mark it up for extra profit. http://www.code-d.com/tesco-cards/index.php
On 2009-05-22 at 21:39:54, Thelevellers wrote...
That was indeed an interesting read. I have to say, although I have and do buy some value items, I avoid value meat like the plague, and tea, and certain other things that are just worth a bit to have good quality - like he said, he didn't even look for condoms! =P
On 2009-05-28 at 12:29:59, DigitalBoss wrote...
The government can't do anything right...and you want them to administer your healthcare? No thanks, not me.