SurveyDo you make an effort to save water?
      – BorgClown, 2009-05-05 at 02:13:41   (16 comments)

On 2009-05-05 at 02:16:41, BorgClown wrote...
Shaving, teeth brushing, car washing, I do. Doing the dishes, taking a shower, I feel I could do much better. I've been thinking about this as the recent heat wave reminded me of two decades ago, when water had to be rationed in Monterrey. Then a fucking huge dam was built and the water rationing ended.
On 2009-05-05 at 06:07:53, Baslisks wrote...
Navy showers much?
On 2009-05-05 at 09:09:44, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I don't as such, although I think about the cost when running a bath rather than a shower. I try to avoid thinking of using water as wasting it - it's not as though it's non-renewable, although the energy used to process it is damaging. I do use a lot of water for washing-up. I live by myself, so only wash small amounts at a time and don't use a bowl so the water runs down the drain. I've heard people complain that dishwashing machines are more efficient, but I also find them to be less effective than simply soaking and rinsing. I haven't washed my car for maybe a year. Ordinarily I'd prefer to use a car wash, but the best one has closed down and so perhaps I won't do it by hand until summer.
On 2009-05-05 at 13:17:51, DigitalBoss wrote...
I was surprised by how much difference a water saving shower head can make: my hot water lasts longer, my water bill is lower, and my natural gas bill is lower, and then there is the savings of water. Winner all the way around.
On 2009-05-06 at 02:25:19, BorgClown wrote...
Couldn't agree more with the shower head solution. Antique ones waste so much water that goes away mostly unused.
On 2009-05-06 at 20:12:49, Thelevellers wrote...
I do things like turn the tap of while brushing my teeth, and shower rather than bath (though that's also cause I prefer showers usually). So I guess 'yes'. @Lee: Water isn't always a renewable source... In britain we are 'lucky' enough to have reliable rain fall, so it is, but some countries are using up the deep aquifers, which take more than the odd shower of rain to replenish... Also, in Britain we are stupid in that we use drinking quality water to flush the toilet! That is at least a waste of energy/resources, if not water. We need to sort the Scandinavian (or at least Swedish, I believe) system out here - all toilets must be the two flush ones (mini flush for pee - makes a LOT of sense), and are fed with 'grey' water - rain water from the roof and/or old shower water. As DigitalBoss says - it does save money if you're on a meter to look after the water, and indeed the run-off, as I forgot until this year that you get charged (at least here) for the rain water runoff as part of the water bill...
On 2009-05-06 at 20:28:31, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Yes, the UK is well-off particularly because of our weather. It's a case of trying to save money rather than water, whereas living in a place where water is a problem is like living where earthquakes are a problem, or where flooding is common. It's about how well the land can support a growing population and how prone it is to natural disaster rather than about 'saving' water. Of course, land management makes a huge difference - you can collect more water and prevent erosion allowing more water to be retained (e.g. trees may promote cloud formation). There was a great article about how Los Angeles has an engineering problem because the river cannot handle all the rainwater run-off from drains, since the water cannot physically flow fast enough, and how they actually pay Nevada - a desert state - to provide them drinking water because they don't collect enough of their own (e.g. via rooftop tanks).
On 2009-05-07 at 12:08:01, Thelevellers wrote...
That is obscene! (The Los Angeles thing). That is a very good illustration of how stupid people can be... :S
On 2009-05-07 at 20:00:49, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Thelevellers: Oh, it was Arizona they import water from, not Nevada - close enough. http://preview.tinyurl.com/c2caah
On 2009-05-08 at 12:02:50, Thelevellers wrote...
Ooh, thanks for that, will read later, quick glance looks interesting though :)
On 2009-05-08 at 20:29:17, Baslisks wrote...
How is Arizona even close to LA? I can't think of two diametrically opposite places.
On 2009-05-09 at 15:42:00, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Baslisks: According to Google Maps, it's 180 miles to the edge of Nevada and 210 miles to Arizona. Not much of a difference - not that I looked at a map before, but the point was that whether it's Arizona or Nevada the water is coming from a dry state to supply a place that has plenty of water. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=34.307144,-115.784912&spn=6.09687,9.250488&t=h&z=7&msid=109685216353436952323.0004697c76de93879aabf
On 2009-05-09 at 23:34:09, BorgClown wrote...
Hey, you look happier on your Google maps account! http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/user?uid=102348016856292145786&hl=en&gl=uk&ptab=2
On 2009-05-10 at 08:59:08, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@BorgClown: I was worried then, as it showed all of my public maps on one page, most of which I only send to specific people. Luckily it seems to only do that because I'm logged in as myself. I did upload that photobooth image here in January, but had opted against using it.
On 2009-05-10 at 23:13:16, BorgClown wrote...
It's intriguing how your happy self looks smaller, yet he's significantly bigger than the formal one.
On 2009-05-11 at 19:12:05, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I forgot to mention that I use a lot more water now that we have recycling collections from our homes. I have to wash plastic pots, tins, etc. and it can often use up quite a lot of water.