OpinionUbuntu Linux 9.04 is looks much more like a mature Operating System.
      – BorgClown, 2009-05-02 at 21:35:57   (25 comments)

On 2009-05-02 at 21:39:42, BorgClown wrote...
I made the installation from scratch in order to see how well has it become. I'm pleasantly surprised by the ├╝bereasyness of the installer, and the overall feel is that many rough edges have been polished. And now that it feels somewhat mac-like, I understand why did they choose Gnome. I wonder how much good will it get in another year, the difference with 8.04 is very noticeable.
On 2009-05-02 at 21:46:05, BorgClown wrote...
Oh BTW, I'm feeling adventurous, so I'm trying extfs4. So far feels the same as extfs3.
On 2009-05-02 at 23:28:07, BorgClown wrote...
Oh, shit, look at the topic. I hate when my grammer fials me.
On 2009-05-03 at 09:27:55, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I'll probably never see it, as I avoid both KDE and Gnome. For about 9 years I used Fvwm2, and now I'm using Xfce with Xubuntu. I specifically avoid having any taskbars and desktop icons. ext4 ought to be a bit faster, especially for larger files. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Caveats
On 2009-05-05 at 01:57:08, BorgClown wrote...
Won't you even glance at them on a live CD? I like Gnome more than KDE, but I gotta reckon KDE is much more customizable. I tried XUbuntu, but found the window manager too bare bones for my taste. WindowMaker is my lightweight window manager of choice.
On 2009-05-05 at 02:09:41, BorgClown wrote...
Boy, the gotchas. Yes, I'm aware of them. But someone's gotta test ext4 in order to see it it's a viable default file system for Ubuntu 9.10.
On 2009-05-05 at 09:00:42, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I've seen KDE and Gnome, years ago - that's why I avoid them. When I log in, I immediately get an X-term and am ready to go (within about 10 seconds). I neither want nor need any of the baggage that comes with the bigger window managers. Just being able to re-size a window is plenty. The downside to 'trying out' a filesystem is that once you've put your data on it you get stuck - I've had ReiserFS in my big <tt>/data partition for the 5 years I've had my machine, and because it's got all my big files on it I have no way to reformat back to ext3. Not that it's a problem usually, but when it does go wrong it's a real pain to recover. I'm currently looking for an external drive to give me more space and back everything up.
On 2009-05-05 at 14:16:16, DigitalBoss wrote...
Who cares? Redhat/Fedora man here.
On 2009-05-06 at 01:47:43, BorgClown wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: The baggage gives Gnome or KDE the uniform feel, widget libraries FTW! When I started to use Linux in the 90s, I used SuSE. Almost every app had its own look: TCL/TK, GTK, QT, custom widgets, text, come on... A mish-mash sensation only minimalist distros keep these days.
On 2009-05-06 at 07:52:46, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Consider the applications you run the most, and the ability to put them, non-overlapping, on multiple desktops (a 2├Ś2 arrangement is best). You only need hotkeys to launch them and place them on the correct desktop. You don't need menus, icons nor a taskbar. There's not even any need to minimise windows.
On 2009-05-06 at 19:59:17, Thelevellers wrote...
I have to say that at the moment I am sadly m'rning the conversion of Amarok into what I consider to be an unusable media player... It used to be my all time fav, and now it is still there, but only because I haven't tried many other linux media players... As such I have put of using even the new Fedora yet (I am a fedora man, but I may try out the new Ubuntu to see...), as I can't be bothered with finding a new GOOD media player, or an installer for the old amarok... Hey ho... I'll try not to rant too much... =P
On 2009-05-06 at 20:19:03, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Heh, I've never played a song on Amarok. I once opened it, didn't find an option to simply play an MP3 and gave up. I just use mplayer these days, since XMMS became horribly broken years ago. Of course, I'd already written my own music database/selection system (around 2001) no crappy media centre is going to take over from that.
On 2009-05-06 at 20:33:15, BorgClown wrote...
In the past I tried a few ncurses music players (like orpheus, moc, smus, etc.), and I don't know why but I loved them. These days I stick with Rhythmbox, not because I like it so much, but because it's the default music player for Ubuntu.
On 2009-05-07 at 12:06:33, Thelevellers wrote...
Wow. I HATE rhythmbox and mplayer with a passion - but that's largely due to the library systems being rubbish compaed to Amarok... It was the library and display that I love(d) with Amarok. I'm not sure how you could miss the play mp3 option Lee, unless it requires the initial library scan? It has it in file I seem to remember... But if you have your own database then the benefits of Amarok probably vanish...
On 2009-05-07 at 19:43:02, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Yes, there wasn't an option to play an MP3 without building a library first. And I wasn't interested in having it build a library when I already have my own. I'm guessing that your experience of mplayer includes some sort of GUI - I haven't really seen it, but vaguely recall seeing one. I have mplayer entirely scripted for everything - it just automatically plays videos full-screen and I use the keyboard to jump around insanely quickly to anywhere I want. For music, mplayer lets me play a song that I've selected. I have to open a small xterm window on the fourth desktop, but it's a small price to play for having it hidden away without any horrid GUI or slow start-up.
On 2009-05-08 at 01:56:05, BorgClown wrote...
Anyway, I'm not that concerned about Rhythmbox. My most used music player my cell phone. I rarely listen to music at the computer.
On 2009-05-08 at 11:46:02, Thelevellers wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: What about playlists? I really like how Amarok arranged the library and 'now playing' list, made it really simple to add/remove/change whatever, did everything I wanted... Meh. That's something I forgot to add earlier - I LOVE the multiple desktops in Fedora (and, I would assume, other distros!). Although I am irritated by the multiple monitors and multiple desktops, as Fedora (or gnome, or whatever is responsible for them) seems to think the second monitor is 'seperate' so much so that it wont let me have firefox open on both monitors?! Lol, I'm it's fixable, but I've not got around to it yet... Still love the multi desktops though, much better than one wide one like you get in windows... :)
On 2009-05-09 at 15:31:54, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Thelevellers: My list has 8,286 songs in it. My code allocates a 1 in 34,333,041 chance of being picked to the most-recently played song and a 8,286 in 34,333,041 chance to the least-recently played. It then picks a number between 1 and 34,333,041 and plays the selected song, updating its last play time. It also moves a played song from the current 'session' to the next so that it's forced to play all songs before moving onto the next session and making them all available once more. I also added weightings so I can mark songs as good or bad whilst they're playing.
On 2009-05-09 at 20:17:16, Thelevellers wrote...
That's cool, and I make use of ratings and recently/not recently played auto lists in media monkey, but what about playlists of songs you wanna listen to right now? I like to sit and make a list on the fly as I remember songs I haven't heard in ages, and just throw in extras as it goes along... I wouldn't expect you to have the same aims with your code, I have had many a discussion about the 'best' media player with different people and we all have different weightings of the various functions - such as my friend ignores the concept of albums, where as I have to have easily listed album functionality or the media player is useless to me (one of my major gripes with winamp is the lack of easy album artist sorting...)
On 2009-05-10 at 08:46:53, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Thelevellers: I can listen to a specific artist, album or track using a search that matches them. Or I can search for, say, 'classical' or 'club' to play tracks from a genre (usually specifying random ordering). I don't do playlists, although do occasionally think it would be nice to queue another song to play after the current one. I also have a script to copy files onto an SD card to play into my car, and since it updates the main database the tracks played in my car will be different to the ones on my PC and vice versa.
On 2009-05-11 at 22:06:37, Thelevellers wrote...
Your script and database setup does sound like it has some pretty cool functions, I might have to have a play with playlist rules in mediamonkey and see what I can make that do... Tho I think I need to get some new music first as I'm not wanting to listen to much of what I have atm - hey ho, of to hmv/play.com/etc I go! ;)
On 2009-05-13 at 20:35:06, DigitalBoss wrote...
I use Fedora as my home router/gateway/firewall. It also runs home automation software such as Asterisk PBX to Vitelity for SIP telephony, Zoneminder with Axis IP cameras for video security, and MythTV DVR. It has OpenVPN running for remote access, and is a file share for my itunes and Apple TV boxes. There.
On 2009-05-14 at 03:56:53, BorgClown wrote...
@DigitalBoss: Now that's a kick-ass home server. I hope it lives long, you'll miss it when it goes belly up.
On 2009-05-14 at 13:47:07, DigitalBoss wrote...
I rebuild it every time a new version of Fedora comes out; keeps me sharp. It has Fedora 10 on it now.
On 2009-05-15 at 12:25:18, DigitalBoss wrote...
Oh yeah, it is used as a desktop also.