OpinionYou believe that you have free will, and it's not just an illusion. http://www.spring.org.uk/2009/01/do-you-believe-in-free-will.php
      – Lee J Haywood, 2009-04-05 at 10:15:33   (9 comments)

On 2009-04-06 at 16:14:09, Thelevellers wrote...
Yeah, I've not looked into it hugely, and haven't processed that article properly yet, a second will happen sometime... I think I do, though that may just be cause it's a nice thought atm, I expect I could easily be convinced either way at the moment! I don't think it would change how I act though, as being nasty just isn't part of me being me really. I suppose that kind works as evidence agaisnt possibly, meh!
On 2009-04-06 at 17:44:44, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It's my opinion that free will is an illusion, and inevitably so - no matter how free will could conceivably come about, it's still caused by underlying processes that you don't control (they control you). There's randomness, and chaos, which give you the ability to make spontaneous decisions, and there's an opportunity to make use of your personal development to make good decisions instead of bad ones. But ultimately it doesn't actually matter whether or not free will is an illusion. What difference does it make, whether you're deluded into thinking you have it or whether instead you actually have it? The two are equivalent, and properly so - the legal system requires that we must as as though we have free will, and essentially we do. Illusion or not.
On 2009-04-07 at 01:50:38, BorgClown wrote...
It's a disheartening article, because it's true. Most (if not all) of our actions are just reactions.
On 2009-04-07 at 08:30:17, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Well the bit about our actions being deterministic in the physical sense isn't necessarily correct - after all, quantum physics is inherently probabilistic and even a deterministic random number generator can still be good enough. What is at question is whether or not our consciousness is actually an illusion resulting from our brain's subsystems making decisions and then looking back on the results after the fact. I certainly think that this is the case, and so it's entirely possible that free will is real but we're not. (-:
On 2009-04-08 at 02:58:22, BorgClown wrote...
What if quantum mechanics appear random because we haven't finished the theory yet? Fate could be determined the moment our universe started. It's a though topic for me, since I intensely dislike the idea of not having free will, yet the evidence points toward that. Now I realize this is a topic I have subconsciously avoided...
On 2009-04-08 at 03:01:57, BorgClown wrote...
I dislike even more the idea of not having a consciousness, although it looks very similar to that bollocks of things not existing when we're not there to perceive them. How do plants grow when no one's looking?
On 2009-04-08 at 10:34:42, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Again, there's no real difference between 'true' randomness and pseudo-randomness caused by complexity. Randomness is a human concept, and it refers to the opposite of predictable patterns - something we have trouble with both because we're excellent at spotting patterns and reject (apparent) patterns in 'random' sequences even though patterns are inevitable and frequent. If I gave you the sequence 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2 and said it was 'generated randomly' then there's nothing inherent in the sequence that tells you that it is in fact random.
On 2009-04-08 at 15:09:00, Baslisks wrote...
Supposedly some tricks in quantum mechanics are proving to inspire free will. I didn't get what half the guy was saying though when he was explaining it.
On 2009-04-13 at 18:44:18, Thelevellers wrote...
Dammit, this is making me want to retry reading 'Explaining Conciousness' by Dan Dennet. It was a tough read, and stretched my mind to the max, but what I understood was fascinating, I've never before thought about that stuff. However it was heavy enough going that I gave up! I think I will try again, once I'm finally done with the Dawkins I have as back up readong atm - primary reading is 'Ringenes Herre'. (That's Lord Of The Rings in Norwegian! Helping regain my vocabulary no end!!) Oh, and I might have to re-read this article too, as I am interested, but wasnt motivated enough first time around...