QuestionIf you suddenly had an army of 1,000 exact replicas of you, you could coordinate between yourselves to take over a small country or a big city.
      – BorgClown, 2009-03-11 at 02:49:10   (21 comments)

On 2009-03-11 at 02:52:03, BorgClown wrote...
I think the perfectly coordinated effort of a thousand people can conquer (peacefully) a small country or a big city. Just working and sharing resources would amass a small fortune in a decade. Well, not if the world freaks out about those clones and starts hunting us down.
On 2009-03-11 at 02:52:55, BorgClown wrote...
THIS IS MEXICOOOOO!!! Wait, we don't have bottomless holes here...
On 2009-03-11 at 05:22:37, Baslisks wrote...
Would we share basically one repository of knowledge or would we all become separate individuals as soon as we split?
On 2009-03-11 at 13:42:56, Thelevellers wrote...
Well, if you are split, you could always get a load of blackberrys and setup a wiki to keep up to date ;) I think it's do able, now where's this clone machine?! :D
On 2009-03-11 at 15:24:17, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I'm not sure why I'd ever want to take a place over. It sounds like you're talking about mass violence, which ought to be a last act of desperation for survival. I can answer the simpler question of whether or not I'd get along with my self - yes, absolutely. @Baslisks: The separation would begin quickly, our minds all being subject to an internal butterfly effect and exposed to different viewpoints. Whether or not 'your' personalities diverge markedly depends on how flexible you allow yourself to be to begin with.
On 2009-03-11 at 18:17:51, Baslisks wrote...
Well I'd have one fuck off big parallel processor. Imagine 1000 minds working on one problem?
On 2009-03-11 at 19:34:46, Thelevellers wrote...
I think I would do well on the task of setting up a colony with myself! The only issue being a lack of boobs... But I guess I could always clone someone awesome... That said, my ex did say she would have a problem with me sleeping with a clone of her, so maybe that option wouldn't work with out very careful choice...
On 2009-03-11 at 21:10:41, Lee J Haywood wrote...
The biggest problem is feeding all your clones, and finding employment for them all. I thought that would be too obvious to even mention. Is that the reason for invading an existing community? The big problem with working is the lack of diversity - all your clones would be expected to have the same limitations and specialisation.
On 2009-03-11 at 21:40:19, Baslisks wrote...
Worlds largest saxophone symphony! Hmmm....
On 2009-03-11 at 23:35:03, Thelevellers wrote...
Maybe if you split in your teens? Then you could have one specialiseng in all the side projeicts you gave up on for whatever reason.. Then I could have a drummer me (I gave up), and a bassist me (I focus on the guitar) and me on guitar, and if one of the others learnt to sing, I'd have a me band! :O Now there's a recipe for the biggest ego in rock! Also, I could have a blacksmith me, a farmer me, etc. I have quiet a broad range of interests that I intend to look into more at some point, but doubt I'll specialise in, so it could maybe work for me...
On 2009-03-11 at 23:42:39, Lee J Haywood wrote...
There are some movies on the subject. Often the character does diverge completely and the clones end up arguing. But you're right that the age makes a big difference - it'd be even more interesting to talk to a younger version of yourself and try to steer them onto a different course based on the knowledge you have now.
On 2009-03-12 at 10:59:43, Thelevellers wrote...
Ooooh, wow yeah, I hadn't thought having a different age clone... That woulb be a very cool experiment... I expect I wouldnot listen to myself much though(!)
On 2009-03-12 at 11:10:34, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Let me see... there was Multiplicity, of course, then Being John Malkovich perhaps. And there was a Twilight Zone episode where clones of one man had to do all the work. The last one was the most relevant - the poor guy was pretty much driven mad by only having himself to talk to.
On 2009-03-12 at 14:13:45, Thelevellers wrote...
Ooooh, twilight zone! I'd forgotten about that... Might have to watch some... :) And maybe add those others to my watch list too, it's pretty long though... :S
On 2009-03-12 at 14:31:55, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Yeah, I wish I had the time to watch it - I'm already watching way too many series to add another to the list. I was going through the list of episodes earlier... it's amazing that they were able to come up with so many distinct stories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Twilight_Zone_episodes
On 2009-03-13 at 07:41:07, BorgClown wrote...
I gotta go sleep, just wanted to add something (without fully reading the thread, I confess). Your copies will be separate individuals, and yes, they will start with your full experience, but rapidly acquire their own. I'm pretty sure my clones would agree that working for the clonehood good would be a top goal. I'm sure they would do lots of crazy things like marrying, having kids, becoming zen-like bums, migrating to another place or country, etc., but most of them will agree to act in an organized manner to further our goals. Imagine a company exclusively made of clones, always full-production, never a strike, and the interest of the workers and patrons taken at the same priority. Such a workforce (even the ones who don't work directly) would be something completely legal and harmless to the world, because hurting strangers just because is not in my character. I reckon that would be very unsettling, even to the clones.
On 2009-03-13 at 07:42:56, BorgClown wrote...
Strike out that last just because, and see you tomorrow.
On 2009-03-13 at 10:09:25, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I think you're mistaken because in, say, a factory setting you wouldn't be well-suited to perform all of the jobs. You might be good at management and not shop-floor work or vice versa. If your clones expected you to do the work they didn't want to (with a sigh of relief from them) then you'd become resentful. If you saw that one of your clones wasn't happy, it might make you less happy also. Plus, seeing and interacting with lots of copies of yourself on a day-to-day basis would be incredibly annoying very quickly - it takes way the whole basis for people watching that we all do. It's okay if all the clones go their separate ways, but that's not what you were talking about.
On 2009-03-13 at 17:43:34, BorgClown wrote...
Talking to tens of best-friends annoying? I don't think so, diversity will start to show up after a few weeks. And if I want to interact with completely different people I could seek my non-clone friends. About abilities, all clones effectively went to college, so taking a second career would be just a couple of years of study. About hard work, well, it's not like I can't do it. If doing heavy or manual labor was assigned by rotation and added a vacation day or pay bonus, it wouldn't be that bad. And manual labor can be relaxing.
On 2009-03-13 at 17:46:25, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Ah, the Body Shop principle - everyone takes turns to be boss and clean the toilets. That could work, I suppose. I wonder if procrastination would be less of an issue if the clones could prompt each other to get on with things?
On 2009-03-13 at 17:52:25, BorgClown wrote...
I guess most of the clones would procrastinate a little, but most of the time they will work toward a common benefit. There's bound to be a few bums, and who knows? Maybe the bums can be useful too. I just remembered a novel who takes the cloning at the digital level. Customized digital copies of yourself could be sent to each voter to persuade them to vote for you (it was an electoral campaign), and it wasn't rare for a few of the copies to be so different that they instead asked for citizenship, which was always granted. Check it out, it's available for download from the author's site: http://www.accelerando.org/