Special interestI am trying to use dvorak. It is not an easy switch...
      – Baslisks, 2009-03-02 at 22:35:03   (16 comments)

On 2009-03-02 at 22:36:33, Baslisks wrote...
It is moving very slowly...
On 2009-03-02 at 22:45:18, Lee J Haywood wrote...
You do have to ask if it's a good idea to switch or not. If you need to type in the workplace, it can be a real problem when you cannot type on other people's keyboards and they cannot type on yours (made worse when the PCs at work aren't actually yours but belong to your organisation). I think it took me a few months to make the transition, but learning to touch-type Dvorak totally wiped out my memory of QWERTY touch-typing. Hopefully you'll focus on touch-typing and leave it so that you can still use QWERTY when you look at the keys (my brain switches between the 2 layouts when I look at/away from the keyboard, which is plain weird).
On 2009-03-02 at 22:52:49, Baslisks wrote...
I can change mindsets between saxophone and clarinet. So I am assuming it will be similar.
On 2009-03-02 at 23:07:54, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Well you have a choice... either learn Dvorak exclusively and you'll find that QWERTY slips away completely (just for touch-typing, say) as it did for me. The alternative is to practice your QWERTY in between each Dvorak session to make sure you don't start to forget it. If you want to be able to use both, I strongly advise against focusing on Dvorak exclusively for a length of time. Are you using the ABCD: A Basic Course in Dvorak tutorial? That's the one I used.
On 2009-03-02 at 23:20:00, Baslisks wrote...
I'm a gamer so I get my qwerty time in games. WASD is still the norm and I don't feel like learning new hotkey placements. I am just typing things and figuring them out. Takes forever.
On 2009-03-02 at 23:26:11, Lee J Haywood wrote...
You're likely to really struggle with system shortcuts if you try to use both layouts. If you want to press Ctrl-X to cut you have to remember which X position to use, for example - it's not quite the same as regular typing. What's most confusing is when you're happily typing in an MS Windows application in Dvorak, and you try using a system hotkey which is interpreted in QWERTY instead - yes, Microsoft are that dumb. In old versions of MS Exchange the keyboard was linked to your language, so you'd be editing an email and the keyboard layout would change as you moved between the text you were composing and that quoted in a reply from someone else... and the hotkeys would change accordingly.
On 2009-03-03 at 00:12:08, Thelevellers wrote...
I converted in the summer, and stuck with it because of the pain I went through in the first week! For some reason that was the week every one decided to chat with me on messenger... I also loved the mindf*ck I could induce on people wanting to use the computer - as good as locking it for many!! :) I have since converted to Colemak, just for giggles really, it is superior in two respects: 1, it keeps a certain number of qwerty keys in the same place, essentially ZXCV, as it's meant to be an improvement on qwerty rather than a complete re-hash, meaning in theory it is easier to swap to. 2, it turns the capslock key into an extra backspace! :D OK, so you can do that to any layout, but people don't tend to... It's so much less annoying accidentally deleting one letter, as opposed to making half a sentance capitals. Oh, and yeah, that gives away my lack of touch typing skills, I keep meaning to learn, but never get around to it. I'm thinking about trying typing of the dead to learn! :P
On 2009-03-03 at 02:53:55, Baslisks wrote...
I've been touch typing ever since I learned because I have to watch the screen and game. Looking is not an option.
On 2009-03-03 at 09:46:33, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I can never understand people that go for, literally, years without learning how to touch-type. It's far more useful to be able to type as quickly as you think, and at the point you learn to use Dvorak you can focus on touch-typing alone... guaranteeing that you'll have the ability when you're done. I do remember the struggle I had at work, trying to use Dvorak in the first week even though it was about 10 times slower than I'd be using QWERTY. George was sat next to me and thought it was cool and I should stick with it though. (:
On 2009-03-03 at 16:51:00, Thelevellers wrote...
I can easily learn small amounts of touch typing. That's to say, gaming wise I find it fairly easy to memorise the keys I use for each game, but I guess as I don't use in game chat that's possibly different... I have also found that I don't need to look at each key, and can with thought touch type to a degree, I just have never got around to practicing, as I can type at a good enough rate that the thought/typung mismatch works out weel, as it sometimes gives me the chance to rephrase things as I go... That said, I do intend to learn at some point, I just need a good reason to motivate me I guess...
On 2009-03-03 at 16:57:17, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I think it's important to realise that it actually takes very little time to learn to touch-type... that's why I say it's difficult to understand why people don't bother. It's a combination of laziness and familiarity, I guess. You either need to focus on not looking at the keys, or if that's too difficult find a way to hide them from view. And practice typing actual sentences for maybe half an hour at a time. It'd only take a couple of sessions to become competent.
On 2009-03-03 at 23:47:53, Thelevellers wrote...
It's laziness for me... I just have never had the desire strongly enough to try... Tho with all this layout swapping I'm getting used to being a slow typer, so maybe now(ish) is the time!
On 2009-03-03 at 23:56:57, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Yeah, it really is a shame you didn't take the opportunity when learning in summer. As I said, I haven't learned how to hunt-and-peck Dvorak at all and my brain switches instantly to QWERTY even though I never use it (unless forced to do so). So I can only touch-type Dvorak except when the keys are swapped in front of me.
On 2009-03-05 at 03:22:27, Baslisks wrote...
In reality it all works up to a point. I always forget to turn dvorak back on....
On 2009-06-20 at 23:51:30, Thelevellers wrote...
On a vaguely related note, there's finally a usb toy that will help me speed up my typing! :O http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/04/usb_hamster_wheel/
On 2009-06-24 at 02:18:36, BorgClown wrote...
Tell us how it goes, it seems like a fun toy, but only for a week.