OpinionOur current society is too sexually repressed. If we weren't biased from the start, adults would openly have free, consensual and casual sex without moral or social issues. And I mean even same-sex partners.
      – BorgClown, 2009-01-25 at 06:25:19   (13 comments)

On 2009-01-25 at 06:27:32, BorgClown wrote...
Case a) Hey Brenda, what are you doing after work? What if we have sex tonight? Case b) Hey BorgClown, what are you doing tonight? Would you like to try my new surgery-enlarged penis?
On 2009-01-25 at 06:32:03, BorgClown wrote...
Jokes apart, I wouldn't find myself at ease in such society, even if I think that sex is overrated. As any bodily function, people should just do it freely, as long as you don't spread STDs or unwanted babies.
On 2009-01-25 at 10:08:29, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I've been thinking for a while that this is mostly religion's fault, for trying to make us feel dirty and ashamed and keep everyone under control. Whilst monogamy isn't such a bad thing, the roles that religion has created for us pervade society and would be hard to shake even if religion itself were to disappear. When you look at teenage pregnancy, it's the countries where children are educated early that have the lowest rates. In the UK and the US, the rates are high because education isn't free enough. You may find it interesting to read about romantic friendship... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_friendship
On 2009-01-26 at 01:49:40, BorgClown wrote...
I blame religious morals too, but also our basic instincts. animals tend to procreate with the best candidate. For humans, that means falling madly in love with someone we see as the best candidate. Now that we got the best candidate, the task is to keep it. Humans become jealous if their SO is in contact with other possible choices, specially if such choices show interest. In less words, you date the woman of your life, who happens to be a university teacher. Later you realize that her daily work requires her to be around younger, healthier, horny and possibly more attractive male students. You'd be interested in her being faithful. My point is: Instincts can't be left unchecked. If jealousy and monogamy are basic instincts, it doesn't mean they're a good nowadays. Just grabbing what you want, or beating someone when he makes you mad are basic (and outdated) instincts too.
On 2009-01-26 at 01:53:10, BorgClown wrote...
Although I can imagine funny situations: Lady 1: I had to leave Bob, he went all mad when I slept with his father. Lady 2: OMG, who could have figured Bob was such a brute, retrograde ape-man!
On 2009-01-26 at 01:58:04, BorgClown wrote...
Romantic friendship reminded me of this Bonobo article (see the Love, not war section) http://songweaver.com/info/bonobos.html
On 2009-01-26 at 11:09:27, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Finding the 'best' candidate implies that you're exposed to a large number of choices and one of them is 'good enough'. In reality it can take decades in modern society, although I suppose the majority of people will try and fail to have lesser relationships. In a complex, human relationship the problem tends to be that you don't know if someone is suitable or not until after you've tried to make things work with them. It's good practice, but you could always hold out for something better only to find that you never find the 'best' that you were expecting. Or, to put it simply, some people have long lists of traits and expect them all to be matched.
On 2009-01-26 at 16:18:39, Baslisks wrote...
Have you ever read... shit... I know this book. Popular... Bran... Brave New World? Similar ideas as this one.
On 2009-01-26 at 16:50:02, Lee J Haywood wrote...
We took turns reading it out loud when I was at school. Although we'd have gone through the whole thing, it left me not having learnt much about the story and with the feeling that it was dull. The problem with deciding which books to read, generally, is that there's no book equivalent of the IMDb which is pretty good at getting an overall feel for how good each film is. (Um, well okay - Google tells me that there's http://www.iblist.com/ but we'll pretend that doesn't exist...)
On 2009-01-26 at 18:13:36, Baslisks wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: What should I read next? but I crashed it... I've read too many books. The gist in that book is they desexualized sex. It was a part of life and every woman man and child knew how to use contraceptives and the such. Sex was an everyday thing. It was basically candy coated and safe. No one ever gave a child by natural birth as it was all test tube babies all specifically grown and designed for tasks. Though in all honesty that is probably the cause for the sexual freedom.
On 2009-01-26 at 21:14:16, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Well I don't really have much trouble picking books as such - last time I used a web site to pick books and one set was good (The Black Magician Trilogy) and the others poor (Storm Front, Magic Burns). At the moment I'm at the end of the Island in the Sea of Time trilogy but going very slowly, and I've got a very yellow copy of Martians Go Home to try later (as well as the final Harry Potter). It's funny that I have no idea what Brave New World is really about - I know 1984 a lot better, having read it far more recently, and they're visions of contrasting futures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World#Comparisons_with_George_Orwell.27s_1984
On 2009-01-26 at 23:58:25, Thelevellers wrote...
Brave New World is essential reading, especailly for the comparisons and contrasts with 1984. Also read Island by the same bloke (Aldous Huxley) - it's his utopian, as opposed to dystopian, vision, and is really interesting, as it touches on many similar things, but in a more 'acceptable(?) fashion. Sexual freedom is in there too, but from the starting point of the Karma Sutra angle, with a very loose family model. Basically kids live with their parents, but are free to run off to the neighbours if things are difficult at home, so each village is like an extended, but un-related, family. Overall he got a good amount of stuff right in Island.
On 2009-01-28 at 03:19:58, BorgClown wrote...
@Thelevellers: Boy, that book you mentioned gave me an idea for another topic...