OpinionGlobal Warming (Climate Change) turns out to be a natural cycle of the sun! http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/01/blowing_holes_i.html
      – DigitalBoss, 2009-01-21 at 13:57:44   (8 comments)

On 2009-01-21 at 13:58:07, DigitalBoss wrote...
...or a communist plot.
On 2009-01-21 at 18:33:05, Lee J Haywood wrote...
So the US continues to amaze the rest of the world in its ignorance - preferring to jump on any nonsense that claims to debunk climate change and accept dangerous change, rather than take the more cautious approach that there may well be a serious issue and ignore the fact that there is a scientific consensus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy#Existence_of_a_scientific_consensus It's ironic that scientists in the US are actually under pressure to deny climate change, by their employers and the US government, yet the consensus remains. And similarly, that the IPCC was set up to conservatively review the evidence in the expectation that climate change would be disproven... yet the opposite was found. Perhaps it's America's excessive religious belief that's the problem? That US citizens assume that their god is in charge, and any disasters are perfectly acceptable? At the very least, your belief/non-belief in climate change is generally set in stone, the evidence filtered to match...
On 2009-01-21 at 18:43:25, Lee J Haywood wrote...
(Continued) Let's assume that solar activity is responsible for making the average global temperature increase, as some claim. This is supposed to reassure us that we can carry on as normal. What the idiots don't acknowledge is that the opposite is true - if the Earth is warming due to solar activity anyway, the last thing we should be doing is making it worse! Climate change is certainly a complex subject and no-one (who is not a climate scientist) can be entirely certain of which sources to believe. Taking the sceptical approach, as everyone should, it's important to look at the limitations of any denials. For example, anyone who claims that because the US has been somewhat cold in a recent year is looking at local climate which is already accepted to be highly variable - climate change is about global average temperature, which no layman can be expected to measure. A similar denial might look at the extent (area) of Arctic ice, but tellingly they will ignore the volume which is clearly decreasing.
On 2009-01-21 at 18:56:27, Lee J Haywood wrote...
You can see the degree of variability, and get some information about the effects of La NiƱa and lags in change caused by ocean thermal inertia, etc., here... http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/
On 2009-01-21 at 20:18:28, DigitalBoss wrote...
Have you ever considered that it was just a normal cycle of solar activity? I remember back in the 70s all the kooks were warning of an upcoming ice age. It is all a crock of shizzle.
On 2009-01-21 at 20:19:40, DigitalBoss wrote...
Who has proven that ANYTHING we are doing is making ANYTHING worse?
On 2009-01-21 at 20:21:05, DigitalBoss wrote...
A consensus is what you have in the absence of fact. They cannot say that it is a fact, so they just say that we agree it may be real. BULLSHIT.
On 2009-01-21 at 20:50:57, Lee J Haywood wrote...
(a) The list of evidence is as long as my arm, if you go and look for it. (b) Climate science in the 1970s was indeed misleading. That in no way invalidates current evidence, and improved methods of collecting data and using modelling to examine mechanisms. (c) Given my own lack of qualifications, I listen to the scientists around the world who actually study the data and check each other's results. I don't pay as much attention to politicians, scientists in the employ of the oil industry (who happen to be the most loud-spoken), or indeed any scientist who isn't an actual climate scientist. (d) The sun is currently at a solar minimum, yet warming continues. http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html (e) It's more helpful to refer to what's wrong with specific scientific articles than what's supposedly right with random blogs from the Internet.