OpinionAn eventual aim of all countries having no immigration restrictions is desirable.
      – George, 2009-01-05 at 19:27:13   (11 comments)

On 2009-01-05 at 19:30:01, George wrote...
No country in the world currently allows unrestricted passage of people over their borders, though freedom of movement is generally recognised as an important civil right.
On 2009-01-05 at 20:01:48, Baslisks wrote...
I could see that as being a desirable outcome but probably not the one I would shoot for first. Rather lower unemployment and homelessness first than unrestricted immigration.
On 2009-01-05 at 20:07:37, Lee J Haywood wrote...
In some cities the immigrant population has already taken over. The rich in the eastern UK don't want to work, so they let the Chinese immigrants do the hard work. The original English then go extinct. At least if we all intermix then racism will become much less of an issue...
On 2009-01-06 at 20:21:28, BorgClown wrote...
No frontiers would imply a massive wealth redistribution, as rich countries become poorer for providing services to an exploding population. But I concur that it would be a good thing long-term.
On 2009-01-06 at 20:47:45, George wrote...
@BorgClown: True. But hopefully that would benefit all in the long term. It seems to have worked when East Germany and West Germany were re-unified.
On 2009-01-06 at 21:47:31, BorgClown wrote...
Maybe that was because the country was split apart first =P
On 2009-01-07 at 11:59:12, Lee J Haywood wrote...
At the moment we still suffer from having difficulty transporting ourselves around the globe quickly in such a way that differences between societies get ironed out, e.g. in the way that the global media has made worldwide communication so pervasive. Until we make greater progress, we will have a long wait until a global government comes into play and a while after that we can truly become one world united. So far, our 'progress' has been pretty destructive and the increases in the number of rich has been to the detriment of the poor and the planet itself. It could be many hundreds or thousands of years before we really get our act together and I guess current civilisation will collapse and rebuild before then. Lifting immigration restrictions may be desirable, but we're still divided into countries with very distinct societies. What do you think is the need for immigration restrictions, whilst we have them?
On 2009-01-07 at 19:12:59, Baslisks wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: controlling the job market, disease control, health care, and taxes maybe?
On 2009-01-07 at 19:22:21, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Right, and those things are inequalities between countries. It depends on what you mean by 'immigration' - if it means people become citizens for a significant number of years, then there's no real issue when it comes to jobs, etc., because an immigrant effectively becomes indistinguishable from your native population. If, on the other hand, you mean that people can live in different countries for a year or two at a time... well, I'd guess you can do that anyway to some extent.
On 2009-01-08 at 05:14:36, Baslisks wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: Well you have migrant workers in the us that already kind of do that, or kind of used to. They were looked down upon like immigrants. They were citizens of the country migrating for better jobs. The whole job thing is a big thing to many people. the US "imports" 50k engineers to run and design everything a year. A needed immigration in order to keep business running. I mean I really don't know where this starts and where this ends and what we need to do to achieve this goal but making ourselves self sufficient has a big part of it. If you are afraid of losing something because of a new competitor you are less likely to allow them to come.
On 2009-01-08 at 10:02:38, Lee J Haywood wrote...
And you have the other problem of work being given directly to those in other countries rather than to your own people, e.g. manufacturing in China and outsourcing to India. I think if you're going to have immigration restrictions to save jobs then it would need to be done differently to the present system.