OpinionIf coffee wasn't available, we would drink hot chocolate in water instead
      – BorgClown, 2008-12-22 at 17:09:12   (12 comments)

On 2008-12-22 at 17:12:30, BorgClown wrote...
Random thought of the day. Preconquest Aztecs drank hot chocolate in water as an energizing beverage. Preparing it in hot milk was an European adaptation. Chocolate was so valued that only the high-ranking citizens were allowed to drink it. Aztecs also used the seed as currency, so in a sense, only the rich could eat money.
On 2008-12-22 at 17:19:29, Lee J Haywood wrote...
People generally drink either tea or coffee, so you'd have to get rid of tea as well. Even then, there are plenty of herbal teas to choose from. In some ways we'd be better off if we just drank water, rather than forcing our kidneys to purify everything to get at the water.
On 2008-12-22 at 17:49:42, BorgClown wrote...
If you want coffee, tea is a poor substitute, and vice versa. I drew the similarities because both are ground up and toasted seeds. They are industrialized similarly.
On 2008-12-22 at 17:52:44, BorgClown wrote...
About drinking just water, that's a good idea for a new topic. Personally I think drinking nutrients or stimulants with your water is mostly harmless, as long as you don't completely replace water.
On 2008-12-22 at 18:13:22, Lee J Haywood wrote...
The hot chocolate I buy is a lot more expensive, per drink, than coffee. Tea is considered worth drinking for its health benefits (although I don't have it) but there's surprisingly little benefit in drinking anything other than water generally. Fruit juices have been shown to be good at removing calcium from bones, leading to osteoporosis - with normal fruits, the solid body is alkaline and neutralises the acid when consumed. Also, antioxidants have only been demonstrated as effective when applied directly to cells in the laboratory and it doesn't necessarily follow that simply eating and drinking them makes any difference. The body produces plenty of them (unlike, say, vitamin C) and isn't known to rely on diet to get more.
On 2008-12-22 at 22:34:22, BorgClown wrote...
I ceased to pay attention to nutritional studies a while ago. Unless several independent studies confirm the same result, it's almost anecdotal. And many of them are "sponsored".
On 2008-12-22 at 22:45:24, Lee J Haywood wrote...
The key one is EPIC - the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition. This was a huge study into the diet of over half a million people and their health, which led to the recommendation to eat 5 portions of fruit and vegetables each day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Prospective_Investigation_into_Cancer_and_Nutrition
On 2008-12-22 at 22:56:45, BorgClown wrote...
Even so, the human genotypes varies with region. The recommendation for Europeans can't be the same for Asians, Eskimos or Latin Americans. Eskimos, for example, can eat fat to their heart's content without raising their risk of cancer. Recently was found that us Mexicans carry a gene variation that makes us very prone to diabetes. It's a distinctive gene in the region, because until five centuries ago there was little to no sugar in the normal diet. So to be convinced I need a global EPIC study, or a local one.
On 2008-12-22 at 22:58:35, BorgClown wrote...
Did I mention that Aztecs drank their chocolate infusion without sugar? Like black coffee. There's sugar cane in the region, but it was used mostly to make alcoholic beverages.
On 2008-12-22 at 23:03:00, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It's true that it's specific to Europeans to a great extent, but it's also true that some European countries have lower incidence of chronic illness and cancer and that can be linked to their choice of diet - something we can all learn from.
On 2008-12-22 at 23:14:00, BorgClown wrote...
It's said that the Mediterranean diet is one of the healthiest ones. It has seafood, wine, fish, cheese and grains, yum!
On 2009-01-05 at 21:05:38, Thelevellers wrote...
It would have to be tea that was unavailable for me, and then I would probably skip hot drinks except for my super rich mega hot chocolate I make every now and then... (Horlicks, cocoa (NOT hot chocolate powder!), sugar milk and cream... MMMMMM!) It's possible that I would teach myself to like coffee if I had no tea around for long enough, as there are days (when I'm working usually) that I NEED the boost in the morning... :)