QuestionAre "Automated Factories and "High Tech. Automation" in in our industrial economy the most significant reason for the shrinking of the american work force?
      – Despicable, 2008-12-06 at 07:35:40   (16 comments)

On 2008-12-06 at 07:57:46, Despicable wrote...
The workers of the world are being replaced by labor saving devices that are being employed so as to insure the greatest amount of profit at the shortest amount of time. The rate of profit, not just a profit is the name of the game in the world of capitalist exploitation. This occurrence will undoubtedly cause the profiteers to manage the economy so that production will be measured to satisfy only those that have the purchasing power to pay the inflated price of that which is being sold. Everyone else will be priced out of the market place.
On 2008-12-06 at 08:23:30, Despicable wrote...
The process of eliminating skilled and unskilled workers, and also highly technological and professional workers, has been going on in the USA and other countries for a long time but few have noticed this trend of the takeover of jobs in the factories, professions, offices and labs by increasingly improved labor saving technologies, and automated devices. The threat to use cheap foreign labor is a cover by the profiteers to hide from the workers the truth about this labor replacement by the creation of automated factories, shops, stores, laboratories and everything else under the sun.
On 2008-12-06 at 08:45:48, Despicable wrote...
The global economy is at this point in time deliberately creating an economic crises so that they can create a new order of fewer competitive entities in the world so that they can concentrate the wealth in fewer economic global power structures so that they can better manage the remaining global economic forces using fewer workers and more machines. What will happen to the no longer needed mass work force in the world? Perhaps they will all suddenly die!
On 2008-12-06 at 08:46:43, BorgClown wrote...
I wonder why you specified the american work force when you immediately recognize it as a world problem. Nevertheless, I have witnessed how machines who replace people at menial tasks actually generate more work. In my former job, I was told the accounting department started with a couple of employees, doing almost all by hand (about 15 years ago). Then they used FoxPro to generate reports on a modest PC, and management saw it was good, so now that the machine was doing the heavy math, they wanted more detailed reports. The accountants had more detailed reports to generate, and a couple of people were hired to help in the data capture. A few years later the company bought a minicomputer (AS/400), and commissioned hired a few consultants to do a full-fledged accounting system. Again, reports were so detailed that more people were needed to capture, validate and generate them, and a few resident developers were needed to improve and update the system. There are now 30 accountants and 20+ developers...
On 2008-12-06 at 08:52:07, BorgClown wrote...
So, machines don't take away your jobs, most of the time they make you take care of them instead. Machines multiply production and thus cheapen it, and there's where the business profit lies. As a child, my father ate ham only a few times a month, because it was expensive. Today, ham is so cheap you can buy more than you could eat, if you want. Machines did that.
On 2008-12-06 at 09:34:33, Despicable wrote...
The reason often stated by the captains of industry for introducing automation at the work place, is to cut down on the cost of labor. The threat by owners of industry to workers has always been to take a cut in wages or the industry will move off shore or the work place will be automated and the workers will be replaced by machines. Today there is only a token work force in our steel mills that have almost been completely automated. Heavy and hard labor has been completely eliminated. This is also true of the auto industry and other industries that at one time employed many unskilled, semi skilled, and skilled workers, but now have been replaced by automation. Don't get me wrong, I am all for new technologies and automation because it is more efficient and eliminates the need for grunt labor a form of work that tears down the human body. My concern is that those that have the power, are only interested in labor saving technologies to eliminate the cost of labor by eliminating the work force.
On 2008-12-06 at 10:30:27, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It's more accurate to say that certain types of jobs are taken away by automation, but recognising that new types of jobs are also created. Without efficiency and mass production we'd still be washing our clothes by hand and having to maintain horses, etc. As an individual, it's disheartening to have a skill that's no longer required and difficult to decide what to do next. But that's not to suggest that the next generation cannot find jobs nor that the current workforce cannot move to new areas if they're sufficiently motivated.
On 2008-12-06 at 21:04:38, BorgClown wrote...
@Despicable: I understand your point, corporations can't regulate themselves, their main goal is profit. I can even imagine when machines become self-sustaining, no longer needing the supervision or maintenance of men. Products would become almost as cheap as the availability of raw materials and energy, and it would be like a second industrial revolution, which in the end was a good thing.
On 2008-12-06 at 21:06:15, BorgClown wrote...
It's sad when such a revolution makes unskilled workers useless, and consequently struggling for a living, but in the long term it is a very good thing.
On 2008-12-07 at 07:39:00, Despicable wrote...
Eventually our technological advances will allow all of us to live securely and comfortably and inspire us to do amazing things on behalf o our selves and all humanity. I believe this type of future is close at hand but we may sabotage this ideal future if we don't recognize todays reality. Their are forces in the world that are stuck in the past and the present and do not have the understanding or desire to move toward the predictable future. New labor saving technologies can become a positive force in the world or it can become a negative force if it remains in the hands of those that seek to profit at the expense of those that do not own or control the new technologies and means of production, The historical struggle between those that own for a living and those that work for a living is more relevant now than ever before in the history of class struggle. If the new technologies remain in the hands of those that seek only personal power and profit the mass of society will suffer.
On 2008-12-07 at 11:46:34, BorgClown wrote...
Recently I cringed when I read of the new genetic advances on longevity. Those dinosaurs you speak of do enough damage already within a normal lifespan.
On 2008-12-07 at 21:23:23, Thewrit wrote...
Lee said it right. there is some jobs that will be extinguished. in the bank, for example, you don't need an attendant to cash or pay bills, you can do it by phone, internet with much more efficiency. we don't need to do the heavy work no more, we have to plan, design, program, engineer, do the thinking.
On 2008-12-08 at 04:42:12, Despicable wrote...
Lets face the facts! ...The world capitalist private enterprise economy is in the toilet and is about to go down the tubes. The world is on the brink of a necessary change from what was, .. to what will be. The desperate need for a world economy that satisfies the material need of the entire world needs to be realized. Common sense tells us that for this to happen we must abandon the unplanned system of private enterprise and adopt a world wide planned economy that will utilize the world's modern technologies without prejudice or discrimination to satisfy the material needs of the people and environment of the world
On 2008-12-08 at 16:45:34, BorgClown wrote...
It'll take a global apocalypse to make the ones who wield the political and economical powers to give them away.
On 2008-12-09 at 07:22:33, Despicable wrote...
The powers that be are in a situation of their own making. The only thing that is possible for them to do, is stand still because it is impossible for them to move in any direction. When a political and economic system can not move it stagnates and dies. Those that bury the corpse are revolutionaries that set in motion an alternative system that is alive.
On 2008-12-10 at 01:20:47, BorgClown wrote...
It's like the Feudal age all over again. Maybe it never went away.