OpinionAcupuncture is a proven treatment and should no longer be considered an alternative medicine when administered by trained, professional nurses.
      – Lee J Haywood, 2008-11-18 at 19:54:30   (19 comments)

On 2008-11-18 at 19:55:15, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Had my first stabs today. (-: Not the most pleasant of experiences, but they tell me it is more painful the first time and then gets better...
On 2008-11-18 at 22:48:02, BorgClown wrote...
When the mysterious energy acupuncture calls QI gets objectively studied and proved, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, as it revolutionizes orthodox medical practice. The good news is that if you are being given acupuncture, you don't have anything obviously malignant. As alternative medicine, I'd prefer Yoga or Tai Chi instead of acupuncture, but it it works, hey, health is hard to obtain.
On 2008-11-18 at 22:48:23, BorgClown wrote...
*but if it works
On 2008-11-19 at 00:00:20, Lee J Haywood wrote...
In theory the acupuncture works by manipulating the nerve bundles known to exist at specific points within muscles. Assuming that any damage done will heal by itself, it's a fairly direct way to trick the body into releasing endorphins and acting differently to how it would otherwise. There is still the issue of why it doesn't work all the time, what happens if you don't target the areas precisely and also if the nerves are unable to repair properly.
On 2008-11-19 at 08:02:57, Despicable wrote...
If you are nor receiving medicine for the treatment of a disorder it should not be considered medical treatment. The manipulation of muscles or nerve endings has nothing to do with the practice of medicine. because medicine is not being used in the treating of the patient. Pressure is not medicine.
On 2008-11-19 at 08:09:54, BorgClown wrote...
But are those nerve bundles just below the skin? IIRC, nerve bundles are well pŕotected behind a layer of bone or muscle. Have to check that, though.
On 2008-11-20 at 04:49:36, Patofeo wrote...
the only thing acupuncture has proven to be effective is for weight loss.... of your wallet. Lee, are you serious????
On 2008-11-20 at 05:50:31, BorgClown wrote...
@Patofeo: All painful stimuli release endorphine. Sure it would be more practical if you drug from the outside in instead of the inside out, but if it helps to up your pain threshold, it might be good. It seems that acupuncture is treating the symptom and not the cause, yet in Lee's case it's probably because doctors haven't found the cause.
On 2008-11-20 at 07:10:58, Patofeo wrote...
@BorgClown: sure, but no different than poking at random or getting a tattoo. Acupuncture maintains it can cure illnesses by altering the flow of chi through one's body by acutely applying pressure on one's 'meridians'. Thousands of years and thousands of studies and not one supports this idea...
On 2008-11-20 at 09:56:17, Lee J Haywood wrote...
This is the Western version, not the Chinese version - it's provided by the NHS, so although it's paid for by taxes it doesn't cost me anything directly. It is intended to treat chronic pain that hasn't responded to drugs, but I suspect that whilst it will work 100% of the time in some patients it won't work at all in others.
On 2008-11-20 at 17:44:57, BorgClown wrote...
Don't forget to tell us how did your qi tuning went. Seriously, I hope it works for you. And I insist, if it doesn't, try some relaxation discipline like Yoga or Tai Chi. At the very least you can discard stress-induced pain if you do.
On 2008-11-20 at 18:18:13, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I have a Yoga DVD but found it difficult to stick with. I had trouble sitting in the pose for more than 5 minutes at a time, and it took me ages to get past the warm-up exercises. (-:
On 2008-11-20 at 23:18:27, BorgClown wrote...
Maybe Tai Chi is more for you then. It's faster, requires much less physical effort, and it's mainly about rhythm and concentration at a slow pace. Try to ignore the qi mumbo-jumbo, it's fine without it.
On 2008-11-20 at 23:20:53, BorgClown wrote...
Wait, don't try anything it yet, if you feel better you'll never know if acupuncture worked for you.
On 2008-12-14 at 00:00:22, BorgClown wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: I was wondering how did it work?
On 2008-12-14 at 00:06:17, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I've had 4/6 sessions so far. They stick the needles in you and leave you alone for 20 minutes (10 minutes the first time). They talk about the 'energy channels' or whatever, but supposedly is slightly more advanced that the Chinese version. I've not noticed any difference so far, but at least I can say I've tried it.
On 2008-12-14 at 00:12:01, BorgClown wrote...
So much for the placebo effect. Damn you skeptical patients.
On 2008-12-14 at 00:19:06, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Goodnight... http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026854.900-first-placebo-gene-discovered.html
On 2008-12-14 at 00:24:18, BorgClown wrote...
Sweet. I somewhat envy those with that gene, they can get better with sheer suggestion. It would be good for mental illnesses, although bad for physical ones.