PollVote for the next US president here...
      – Lee J Haywood, 2008-09-23 at 17:22:33   (49 comments)

On 2008-09-23 at 17:30:33, Lee J Haywood wrote...
From the little I've read, Obama seems to be the level-headed one with the sensible policies - especially when it comes to science. I don't know anything about the others, other than that Obama is a good speaker whereas McCain is said to look depressed and smiles at inappropriate times. Palin is the scariest though, even if only a running mate.
On 2008-09-23 at 17:40:08, Wonkobox wrote...
hillary
On 2008-09-23 at 18:05:42, Baslisks wrote...
@Wonkobox: fill in?
On 2008-09-23 at 18:12:15, Wonkobox wrote...
@Baslisks: yep. my state (oregon) allows write-ins. additionally all our voting is on paper.
On 2008-09-23 at 18:13:55, Baslisks wrote...
@Wonkobox: are there states that deny write ins?
On 2008-09-23 at 18:15:01, Wonkobox wrote...
@Baslisks: presumably any that only use electronic voting. that's a good question though, ill ask the internet.
On 2008-09-23 at 18:30:18, Baslisks wrote...
@Wonkobox: meh I'm lazy.
On 2008-09-23 at 18:35:25, Wonkobox wrote...
@Baslisks: ok i didnt spend a long time investigating but i cant find any mention of it being banned anywhere
On 2008-09-23 at 18:42:27, Baslisks wrote...
@Wonkobox: Now can we vote like the russians?
On 2008-09-23 at 18:43:10, Wonkobox wrote...
@Baslisks: in russia ballots vote for you!
On 2008-09-23 at 18:44:41, Scarletxstarlet wrote...
Brian Moore!
On 2008-09-23 at 18:45:20, Baslisks wrote...
@Wonkobox: In russia, you can mark off the people you don't like. If you don't like anyone you mark them all off. It's counted as a none of the above. if a certain percentage gets a none of the above they get new candidates.
On 2008-09-23 at 18:46:54, Wonkobox wrote...
@Scarletxstarlet: eugene debs! who coincedentally received the most write-ins of any presidential candidate since)
On 2008-09-23 at 18:47:30, Wonkobox wrote...
@Baslisks: are you russian?
On 2008-09-23 at 18:49:38, BorgClown wrote...
Even if I cannot vote, I voted for Obama. Palin is creepy, she belongs in Church masonry or some slavish religious labor.
On 2008-09-23 at 18:50:28, Wonkobox wrote...
@BorgClown: she needs to be hunted down like the moose cow she is.
On 2008-09-23 at 18:55:03, BorgClown wrote...
@Wonkobox: Cow? I wouldn't complain if this became true: http://www.cracked.com/blog/2008/09/05/the-issue-sarah-palin-must-address-i-want-to-see-her-naked/
On 2008-09-23 at 18:56:40, Wonkobox wrote...
@BorgClown: whatever she's squeezed out 5 kids, she looks like a bag full of mashed potatoes now. besides that her attitude makes her hideous. i might consider doing her son track though, or her soon-to-be son-in-law
On 2008-09-23 at 19:23:13, Baslisks wrote...
@Wonkobox: only on my father's side. I just like jello biafra.
On 2008-09-24 at 02:48:35, Patofeo wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: Obama is not level headed when it comes to science. None of the candidates are! Even though we are dealing with plenty problems that require turning to science for resolution (global warming/climate change, energy shortage...) the american public somehow fails to make this connection and the candidates continue uninterested in the subject. Both candidates, by the way, will likely keep pumping funds to "office for faith based Initiative"
On 2008-09-24 at 03:07:52, BorgClown wrote...
@Patofeo: I often wonder if only a global catastrophe will drill common sense in humanity. almost everyone running for government seems to be so distant of the wellbeing of the many. When an elite acquires enough power to dictate law, stagnation, decadence and suffering is inevitable.
On 2008-09-24 at 03:58:17, Patofeo wrote...
@BorgClown: 100% agreed. I could rant for hours on the subject. BTW, love the sobrero + bigote!
On 2008-09-24 at 03:59:05, Patofeo wrote...
*sombrero
On 2008-09-24 at 08:05:55, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@BorgClown: "A frog in water doesn't feel it boil in time. Dude, we are that frog." - grist.org
On 2008-09-24 at 21:08:45, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Patofeo: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19926723.400-obama-answers-scientists-questions.html
On 2008-09-24 at 22:59:07, Patofeo wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: that article is not true. The team at Science debate 2008 where unable to reach either candidate, so instead they had their consolation of an answered response to 14 question by staff, not Obama. And the answers are rather vague, don't you think? Bob Park's editorial staff (U. of Washington) ran a word search through both candidates acceptance speech (a few weeks back) and found only one mention of the word science
On 2008-09-25 at 00:26:07, Patofeo wrote...
*U. of Washington should be U. of Maryland
On 2008-09-25 at 00:27:54, Patofeo wrote...
@BorgClown: it seems mooninites are greener on the other side of the border
On 2008-09-25 at 06:32:58, Lee J Haywood wrote...
@Patofeo: The speeches are directed at a wider audience, most of whom have little interest in science. Obama has been shown to be a master of spin, but that's not to say that he's being deceptive. The article I posted is a reference to Obama's written responses, and is considerably more hopeful than anything anyone else has done - especially the current president. Here's another interesting article on the subject... http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/mg19926746.200-software-spots-the-spin-in-political-speeches.html
On 2008-09-25 at 07:12:28, BorgClown wrote...
@Patofeo: Funny. If you ask me, they look paler on the other side of the border.
On 2008-09-25 at 07:15:54, BorgClown wrote...
About science and presidential candidates, WTF happens now that McCain stepped out? Does Obama win by default? OK, there's the little parties, so elections can still take place. My worst fear is Bush Jr claiming national emergency and delay of elections.
On 2008-09-25 at 08:58:52, Lee J Haywood wrote...
It will be amusing if the voting machines get rigged again.
On 2008-09-25 at 18:21:03, Patofeo wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: the link isn't working. Is there another one? Check out http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=42 These are editorialized answers, not the candidates words. I'll bet a years salary that neither McCain nor Obama have read 'their' responses
On 2008-09-25 at 18:50:36, Lee J Haywood wrote...
You'll have to try it again later, although it only really said that Obama had answered and McCain hadn't. I don't know about you, but I vote for the party that has the style of manifesto that most matches my own - I couldn't care at all about what the individual candidates say. It's worth using a site like http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ to check your assumptions about which party matches you the best.
On 2008-09-25 at 23:25:42, Patofeo wrote...
my style of voting is called damage control: pick the lesser douche-bag. I think I made my intentions clear in the Sarah Palin thread ;)
On 2008-09-25 at 23:27:41, BorgClown wrote...
What do you know? The atchoo sound is useful when DNr slows down.
On 2008-09-25 at 23:28:47, BorgClown wrote...
But not even then I'll enable it, for me it sounds like a crying baby.
On 2008-10-10 at 20:36:14, Lee J Haywood wrote...
So Obama is ahead in the polls? http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/be-logical-captain
On 2008-10-10 at 23:14:56, BorgClown wrote...
Oh, that was thinly-veiled fan service.
On 2008-10-24 at 20:52:32, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I had to look up Obama to find out which party he's in (since they're both meaningless to me), then try to work out which colour represents that party (no idea about that either). From what I can work out, he's in the lead on this chart... http://www.whiterabbitcult.com/great-animated-electoral-map-up-to-date-and-current/
On 2008-10-24 at 21:23:03, BorgClown wrote...
Beware, in past elections where a non-white candidate was involved, USA citizens have stated something in the polls, but in the secrecy of the voting booth many chose the white candidate. I guess they were trying to be "politically correct". Or the switchers are just plain hypocritical.
On 2008-10-24 at 21:25:03, Lee J Haywood wrote...
McCain has a ridiculous amount of support for his age, and the idiocy of his running mate, but hopefully sense will prevail. If not, as John Cleese said, the US will continue to be a laughing stock.
On 2008-10-24 at 21:25:56, BorgClown wrote...
Obama is an African surname, but his mother is Hawaiian, and he was raised in USA. He's not a black man but a mulatto, although the media keeps calling him black, and fomenting that white-black president controversy.
On 2008-10-24 at 21:27:35, BorgClown wrote...
@Lee J Haywood: Aye, if McCain wins, USA will be a laughing stock, one with with the biggest war machine at hand.
On 2008-10-24 at 21:28:30, BorgClown wrote...
Oh, I forgot to mention, Obama's father is from Kenya, i believe.
On 2008-10-24 at 21:29:55, Lee J Haywood wrote...
I suppose it's slightly ironic that the people who care about so-called race are the same ones that will vote for McCain in the first place. At least Obama isn't claiming to be an atheist - that would really ruin his campaign.
On 2008-10-24 at 21:36:09, BorgClown wrote...
I wonder what kind of people seeded USA, seeing that today many of their leaders are egotistical, selfish, religious fanatics and hypocritical. I mean, I've known my share of USAians, and most have resulted good fellows, but then where do their leaders come from? I mean, Australia was founded by criminals, and as a country they're better at getting along with themselves and their neighbors.
On 2008-10-24 at 21:39:47, Lee J Haywood wrote...
Presumably the biggest change came about as a result of the civil war, where the winners got to choose what direction to go in.
On 2008-10-24 at 22:23:21, BorgClown wrote...
It would be an interesting what-if to consider the south winning the USA civil war. As far as I recall, slavery was more of a pretext than a motive. Off to Wikipedia I go.